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MG Midget and Sprite Technical - MOT welding

Hi, any ideas what the MOT man will say about this? It did used to pass an MOT about twenty years ago but have things changed ?


m fairclough

Where is it? Inner footwell side? Should be acceptable so long as it isn't near a suspension point.
Guy

Sorry, yes it would have helped if I said where it was.It is the inner footwell side above the inner sill, well spotted. The inner sill on both sides are done in similar way.
m fairclough

Should be OK. Where are you planning to take it?
Dave O'Neill 2

Thought about Plume,only to avoid any speed bumps!!!
m fairclough

You should be ok to be honest although as far as I am aware any welding carried out on any key structural parts needs to be seem welded even if the part was originally spot welded ie sills?

It all depends on which tester you get on the day.
C Carter

Mine has got through several with stitch welds in that postion, if that's any help?

-Craig
C Robertson

My MOT Man does not take trim panels off, and I don,t thing any do, so how would it be seen ?

Dave
Dave Barrow

Thanks for all your comments, sounds as though its worth a try, unfortunately Dave B I threw the trim away long ago when I used to race it as I thought I wouldn't need it again. Why is it you always throw away the stuff you need and yet keep a load of junk for years?
m fairclough

Mike

Do you want some trim panels?
Dave O'Neill 2

My understanding of the MOT welding requirements from some years back was that any patch repair had to be fully welded but a full replacement panel could be fitted as per the original such as with spot welds. This was from a mates midget front footwell panel patch that one year was OK to be stitch welded and failed the MOT the following year as it wasn't fully welded. It went back for welding in between the stitches and all was OK again.
David Billington

David,
Strictly speaking, I don't think that is a patch repair. The footwell side should be joined to the top of the inner sill as in that photo, although it is difficult to tell if the lower section is just the sill, or if there is an intervening patch, as there often is just there..
Guy

I agree with David a panel repair requires full weling a panel replacement can be spot welded as the original was fitted. Therefore a sill repair (Commonly a patch over a hole) requires full welding whereas sill replacement requires only spotting at flanges.

That said Guy where is the flange on this repair, the term patch was a loose term and as described meant panl repair.
Robert (Bob) Midget Turbo

Guy

I could have been clearer, the patch in question was about 4" x 4" and fitted roughly in the centre of the panel at the front of the passenger footwell, not the side. It passed one year with stitch welds as required but failed the next as the regs had changed . A minor PITA but not a big one as the rest of the panel was OK and unlike many MOT patch panels I've seen it was still sound a year later. The garage owner, who typically did the MOTs, asked me on a couple of occasions if I'd like to do his MOT welding as I did a far better job than his normal crew, my thoughts were teach them how to use a MIG welder.
David Billington

David,
I was commenting on M Fairclough's photo. I wasn't doubting your description of a failed patch repair.
Guy

This thread was discussed between 19/06/2011 and 20/06/2011

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