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MG MGB GT V8 Factory Originals Technical - New Thread headings!!!
|halleluah to the moderators also for seeing the light. does this mean we won't be seeing the "got to have V8 in the name" crowd on this thread anymore? |
really hope not but it does seem to be a hang up for some.
well done moderators!! jim
|Personally, I dont see this as a good thing. You have just succeeded in isolating the Factory V8 cars to their own thread which will likely atrophy.|
I really don't care what you put in your car. Just do it and quit trying to change the world.
|Hey, to each his own ! They're all fun|
|Poorly done. Now I can't read valuable info for my MGA engine conversion anymore? ;(|
|James - Really ! you people ought to understand the reasons for puritanism.|
Carl - No they haven't - I suspect most of us will agree with you and hang around here.
For the "mud" please see:
|Fromn a purist.|
What is the difference between pure and lump?
The only diference is that one is done by the factory, the other by a gear head. Is the Cobra an original? Only becouse Ford put his name on it. The MGB V8 started life by a gear head name Costello.
So if I build several MGB's with a V6's or V8's are those cars original? Perhaps if I change the name to an animal name or just simply V6/V8 B and sell a few, would tha make them original?
We all are pure gear heads, I GUESS THAT MAKE US PURIST. the ONLY diference is that some purist like to improve the breed. The AC Bristol was junk
but it was improved with a Ford v8. There are several so called original cars such as;Italian, British and French cars with American iron in them, these cars are originals even if only A hand full were build and some of the same marque were all diferently build. But hey! they are original.
This is one area that has always confuse me.
I use to have Packards, Yes Packards. Paid lots of money to enter the judge events by the best in the USA just so that they could tell me that my car was only a 95 point car, yes I quit that craaaazy world. One day I showed to a very large event bla bla with a Packard 110 and with a 327 ci chevy dual carb 4 speed, other than the drive train swap the car look stock. Correcdt wheels with the correct pin striping, correct everything. The 110 was a show quality car, the only diference was the drive train. Got lots of complements, when the judges came and I open the hood.....Well I left early, I did the swap on purpose, just to let them know that I had made the car to my liking and not theirs. Same experience with my MK II Jaguar, the jag people refund my money and ask me to leave. The diference is that I had improved the breed.
About a month later after that incident with the 110, one of the judges call me, he wanted to buy my 110 Packard. I could drive that 110 anywhere, they could not. I drove my Jag to work for 15 years and lots of club runs, never fail, I drive my 73 GT V6 everyday plus track time.
I like to drive them while I can, I want to have good stories to tell when I go to the other side.
We all are pure and original gear heads.
|And you just "lumped" us all together.|
|Well stated Bill.|
|Michael S. Domanowski|
|scott, i have an mga conversion also, we can start a new thread if you like but the mga heading further up the page does not try and be singularly special in their name.|
carl, i don't care either what you or anyone else put in their car. so why not quit trying to stamp V8 on every event as if its the only thing that matters or matters most? i have no designs on changing the world, just want to make it inclusive and not exclsuive.
for the record, i had nothing to do with the change, i just happened to open it this morning and see the new lisitng and also be the first to respond. i own a factory mgb-gt v8 and also a b rdstr v6, are the two headings correct? yes.
| I understand that this BBS site was origially for factory MG V8s. But due to lack of contribution & the fact that factory V8s were thin on the ground, it was decided to include conversions. Maybe history will repeat itself again !|
|Interesting to note that the 1st technical thread on the "Factory" BBS asks for information on conversion of the car's diff ratios or converting to a Ford 3.08!|
I suggest you read the post properly. I don't recall any mention of an engine conversion, but I could be wrong. You been sniffing that nitro again? Silly boy.
|"Carl, i don't care either what you or anyone else put in their car. so why not quit trying to stamp V8 on every event as if its the only thing that matters or matters most? i have no designs on changing the world, just want to make it inclusive and not exclsuive."|
After June I will have attended 8 of the 9 annual V8 Meets. I didn't name any of them. That sprang from the roots of the Factory cars & the Costello heritage. It was changed to British V8 to encompass the fine tradition of stuffing American V8s (oops there's that irritating word again) into British sports cars.
The Meets have always been inclusive. Everyone interested is welcome. I drove a stock 4 banger MGB to 3 of those Meets and participated in track time & autocross right along with the V8s (and a sprinkling of v6s). Mike Moor's Dad is one of the V8 Frat guys that is right there with us every year and he brings his turbo V6 kit car that is based on a German chassis.
I guess my main beef is when a small minority joins in, and instead just having a good time like everyone else, they start demanding changes.
|rick, i have read and reread your posts, i really do not know you personaly nor do you know me. i had nothing at all to do with the recent mods on the bbs but the changes are corrct, you DO NOT own an mgv8, you own an mg conversion. this is a simple fact. |
i am glad you cc'd your friends.
i have no interest in starting a v6 club. my only interest is in promoting british cars, especially those with conversions, and being inclusive to all. through both the naming and show catagories.
you on the other hand feel some sort of need to have v8 as a title as if it makes it better?
you asked me on the mg experience if i was a chef by trade? as you said" i like to stir the pot". as much as i like to cook i like to eat better. i would ask you if your avocation is that of a historian? because you like to live in the past.
here is the reality of the big picture: for this community, group, club gathering or what ever name you want, of british conversion cars to continue to do well and grow than it needs all conversion cars, i would be willing to bet that last year there were more new 6's, 4's, rotary's, turbos and supercharged conversions started in this country than 8's, look at the growing number of post concerning other motors than 8's for your self. whatevr engine goes in we all have many things in common with brakes, suspension, rear ends, tranny's seats, etc. so the question still remains? why are you hung up with v8 in the name?
to me having v8 in the name would be just like the naming the every 5 year mg intermarque gathering as the mgb gathering, even though it is for all mg cars.
what i want to see and what i really believe the majority of mg owners at shows would agree is correct is to have 1 class for factory/costello bv8's and 1 class for all mg conversions.
yes, i did really have some tongue in cheek fun with the trailer thread, i will quit for now also if you like and i will also post this thread on the bbs,
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rick, now i am for sure LOL!!! "strength in numbers.. not division"? this from someone that demands v8 be in the heading of a conversion meet? you have one of the most divisive attitudes of anyone posting here on this subject as witnessed by the link you placed to the previous discussion on the mgb experience.
I'm done being diplomatic with you.
You obviously don't know me very well, nor did you read my first couple of posts on the MGB Experience very well, or you would have found that I'm very open and accepting of all forms of British cars. I attempted to ensure that you knew that you were welcome to participate. You chose to allienate *most* of the participants of this BBS with your snide comments.
If the V8 Register of NAMGBR wishes to have a V8 meet and be exclusive, they can.
If the V8 Register of NAMGBR wishes to have a V8 meet and open it to other types of conversions as well as marques, that is also their prerogative.
If you want to form a V6 Register within NAMGBR, all you have to do is contact the Executive with a plan, and then follow through with it.
If you want to hold an inclusive, or exclusive, V6 event (meet, gathering...whatever the f*#k you want to call it), that is your choice as well. You might be surprised...I might even attend!
Your veiled attempts of a take-over of the V8 Register's gathering does not sit well with me. Yes, I feel that you slung *mud* not only at me, but at most of my fellow V8er's.
Do you remember back to early last summer when I advised that my V8 would not be completed and the only way it would make it to Grand Rapids would be on a trailer? YOU certainly ran with that one now, didn't you.
Guess I won't be seeing YOUR registration at BRITISH V8 2005, The Driving Experience of 2005 now, will I?!
I think I'll quit for now............
I think it's time you do as well.
BTW....I cc'd my cohorts Pete Mantell and Dave Kirkman on this post...it's also on the BBS.
|How about a new thread for incomplete V8 b's with trailers. Just having fun!!!!!|
Why are you separating the V8 from the V6 and others rick? MGB is an MGB period.
Rick you seem support the fun and then stuff it to others with your likings and your way is the only way.
V8's are the only ones that count? start your own registry? We met rick, remember that nice sounding V8 at grand rapids? I Left early.
Sould we be separeted by state also.
70 BOP V8
68 3.4 FI V6
32 Ford rod Big block Chevy
I think I will go some place else were we are all equal. What does the constitution reads about been equal.
I come from a mix marriage, A man and A woman.
Just having fun!!!! I
Go over to the archives on the MGB Experience BBS - V6/V8 conversions...British V8 2005 thread and read my original post. Perhaps then you will see where my frustration comes from.
Cannot say as I remember your V8 as I was very busy that weekend with other MG related activites that I was coordinating for OTHER enthusiasts to enjoy.
|In a message dated 3/23/2005 2:38:51 PM Central Standard Time, email@example.com writes:|
what i want to see and what i really believe the majority of mg owners at shows would agree is correct is to have 1 class for factory/costello bv8's and 1 class for all mg conversions.
That's fine...and I have absolutely no problem with that. As an MGC owner as well, believe me, I know what discrimination is! I am continually lumped in with the chrome bumpered B's or the "other MG" or "other British" classes. To be honest with you...I don't go to the shows because of the cars. I go because of the people who are there.
And the different classes you keep mandating? -That's where the difference lies between a British (or MG) car SHOW and the British V8 events!
The British V8 events are NOT shows...there have NEVER been any classes, there have NEVER been any awards, there are very few attendees who even wash their cars at a British V8 meet!. They are pure and simple gatherings of enthusiasts and driving events.
It's a "party" or a "fraternity". But we *are* open minded enough to invite AND welcome those who may have done conversions other than a V8...(or other than a Ford, or a BOP, etc.)
That doesn't mean we have to change the name or the goals of the event.
That's what I tried to convey to you on the other BBS.
I did not mean to offend and I don't understand your point - I said diffs - nowhere did I say engines. My point (perhaps not so clearly stated) was at what point do we draw the line when we judge a car to be "Factory Original"? Are differential, brakes, and wheel substitutions OK but engines & gearboxes not?
Nitro?! (Funny you should mention that as I am in the middle of witnessing handover inspections of medical gases including nitrous oxide in a major hospital! Reading all the posts is starting to give me a headache. Perhaps I'll take your advice and slip back and try some sniff tests.)
(rusting Mk1 B with non original 5MainBearing engine about to be rebuilt into heritage shell!)
|I have had the good fortune to being able to attend all the conventions that NAMGBR has sponsored since the beginning in 1992. At 3 of the conventions, we drove our Austin London Taxi Cab, so the family could all ride in one car.|
Even though I was not driving an MG, I still took part in the events along with Jaguars, Minis, Morgans and heaven forbid…TriumphJ
I never asked for them to change the name of the convention to include British Commercial Vehicles (I didn’t say Austin, because someone might drive a Wolseley Oxford Taxi). The V8 name goes back to the roots of the Registry.
We had a large number of Old Speckled Hens (Local club and ale) attending the V8 get together in 2002, just because they will attend anything where British cars are involved (or beer). We socialized and drove against a number of 4 and 6 cylinder cars.
Check the registration form for this or any previous meeting. It always states that ALL V8, V6 and Modified cars are welcome. That’s the important part.
There are bigger issues facing our little group. More and more people know less and less about our LBCs. If we aren’t careful, we will be are going the way of the dinosaurs.
We did have an award one year (participants choice). I believe you were busy orchestrating a rally event around the Great Lakes. Looking back, I am glad that it has not turned out to be a competitive car show. Too many great cars (not mine) show-wise & techo/engineering-wise. If there is any competitiveness, it's the waay kewl engineering aspect. I love seeing all the new spins, twists, & more than way to get it accomplished tricks that everyone is glad to show AND share.
"Check the registration form for this or any previous meeting. It always states that ALL V8, V6 and Modified cars are welcome. That’s the important part."
With all due respect, this is the most important part for me; "Or if you are considering an engine swap or just interested in seeing British Sports Cars with added muscle..."
As I have stated, I attended 3 of these Events in a mostly stock MGB (my '79 & also my Dad's '63 B) and was welcomed & allowed to play right along side the "Spurious" cars. Plus, many of these nuts let me drive their cars!
Can't wait 'til June. I need to test drive a 3-link rear suspension. ;)
|What a load of crap! Rick, I have read the mgb experience bulletin board you posted and have read all of the above posts. The MG V8 Meet originated with several of us who were at one of the John Twist Summer Parties. We all had MG V-8's and were fed up with being looked down the noses of the purists at the general MG shows. It was decided to start an annual event just for V-8's. We have always welcomed V-6's or other unusual conversions + anyone with an interest in conversions. It went very well in this format for several years. It changes from the MG V8 meet to the British V8 meet in order to attract the AH, Triumph and other conversions. I saw in some of the other postings the suggestion to make the meets general MG meets with a class for V-8's. Christ, that was the reason the V-8 meets were started! For all the whiners who feel the need to change the Meet title, start your own Meet if you are so worried about our title. It is typical of some people nowdays that they feel the need to screw up something that has worked well for years, they had no hand in the origins of or participated in all the work that went into developing it. I do not want to see the downward spiral begin, leading to a "British Modified" meet with a bunch of 4-bangers with tube shock conversions and a polished valve cover. Personally, if there was a good British V6 or British Modified annual meet somewhere and it was worth going to, I would drive my V8 there, have a good time and be appreciative of the work that went into it, but would certainly not be presumptive enought to try and change theier meet to fit my car.|
|Hey guys atleast you have a thread that is deadicated to engine conversions. Owning a Triumph with a V8 is lonely on my side of the BBS, that's why I hang out here. Regardless of the title I know it's the same bunch of gear heads as before. I have always felt welcome here and if I'm not welcome then atleast they were polite enough not to tell me to get lost.|
|I don't mind the new thread heading, seems the same gearheads are there swapping information and experience. I like to help if I can, but if the subject is outside my experience then I sit back and learn. Anyone wanting to put a 60 degree V6 in a midget or an inline 6 into an MGA is welcome to any help I can offer. I in turn will seek information on areas which might be common to your swaps. |
I can see the need for a thread for the 'factory V8s' and RV8's. A lot of their questions deal with areas that don't come up in engine swaps such as originality issues and parts sources.
|I have put on two of the V8 shows, The first one was titled "The British Conversion Convention", BECAUSE, we were getting so much attention from the Triumph, AH, Sunbeam and Cobra crowds. Only a few came! And yes that was the only meet where we gave out awards, that was my own doing. Putting on a show is a lot of work, Rick, Pete & Dave have gone ALL OUT with putting this show on. WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS YOU END UP SPENDING SEVERAL HUNDRED (OR MORE) DOLLARS OF YOU OWN MONEY TO PUT A SHOW ON. Most people are graetful, but you'll always have the whinners, who want the name changed or a refund...or something changed to suit their needs or ego's.|
I say lets get together for the show, just like Kurt said it started out because we were "outcasts" because we're different, Leave it the V8 show, that's what were known as ! We know that everyone is welcome, lets put this issue to bed and go on.
74 MGB / Ford 302
|Gentleman, I am interested in starting up a new board Thread Heading titled: |
This will be based solely on the conversions of factory MG V8's and MGC's to 4 cylinder marine diesels engines taken from Moody Sailboats. These conversions will at first be limited to Thornycraft and Perkins diesel engines. I see a big following for this especially if the conversion contains pontoons so the car can also be amphibious. Special attention will be paid to propeller type and pitch along with a special section on recommendations for stuffing box materials and marine lighting. Any takers?
Former 1985 Moody 37’6” owner w/50HP Perkins
|Michael S. Domanowski|
Excellent way to make the point!
I hope the Perkins diesel did a better job of moving your boat through the water then it does moving my London cab on the highway.
|Bill Guzman might post, he was talking about adding pontoons to his BV6 due to the heavy rains out in Califorina. ;-)|
|First I want to make it clear that I am not trying to change your car show/gahtering etc.|
I think must of you have taken the point somewhere else and have lost focus.
If I understand James correctly he is saying that the title of V8 meet includes only V8 even if the intention is for others British cars also. I have not attended one your meets, I will this year, last year due to my wifes health I had to cancel. I still have my air fare to the mid West.
With respect to you Kurt, what you are saying is crap.
If you want to separate V8 from others do so and keep it V8 only. If the meet includes other Marques then why not include the 4 bangers with tube shocks, blowers and chrome valve covers. It's not about the cars of who has what, it's about sharing a common like with others and that is sharing a non-pure car with others. Those 4 bangers can become v8's/v6's or other later.
We are going to have our BMC (British Modified Cars)Annual gathering in Sept, we will have cars from Canada including a modified Spitfire with a 4 banger and a MGA with a V12 Jag. Just like you felt out place with your V8 other with modified British cars feel the same. It is nice to meet other people with the same interest in modifying British cars.
I know of some new MGB V6 owners that would not attend your event due in part becouse is adveritse V8 meet.
I am not trying to change your tradition, We have our own meet. We also belong as a club BMC no dues, no by-laws etc. We all attend other meets and parked together at other British car events and yes we have a ball. We have a member who install a Triumph GT6 engine into a Spitfire, it's a well done swap and very fast with all the technology, FI, 5 speed trans, can tune the car with his lap top etc. Nice to know someone that is creative and has done something other than a V8 or V6 swap, another member has a 4 banger MGB with FI 5 speed and many more stuff. If we were to close the doors to this cars, we would miss meeting this wonderful people. That is why we call our infromal club BMC. BMC is for those who do not belong with the purist. Again, I am not trying to change your exclusive V8 title tradition, in fact it does not matter to me what you call it.
People with the same interest (modifying) just want to be included and not excluded by titles, talk, or actions.
I hope the point is well taken.
|Now for the fun stuff.|
Weather today, partly cloudy with more rain in the future. I will be using a lister diesel. This engine is air cool and it will avoid the heating problems in the B's engine bay.
Yes, another thread Bill, how about original MGB with lister diesels. May have to separate those with water cool diesels from those with air cool diesels.
32 foot Erickson
8 cylinder (twin 4's Listers)Darn, Lister should had build a 3 cylinder, Post would read, "6 cylinder"
"If I understand James correctly he is saying that the title of V8 meet includes only V8 even if the intention is for others British cars also." ....
The Meet was initiated and has always intended to be a V8 Meet. There was never any intention of making it inclusive of any other type of conversion or modification except as a courtesy to anyone else interested in coming. It has never been, and never will, been mandated that only V8's can attend, but that does not change the fact that it is a V8 Meet. I cannot really understand this call for this name change or this controversy. It is a V8 Meet, if someone does not like that name DON'T COME! That simple.
That said, I have further difficult with the whiners on this thread asking or demanding that the Meet be altered to thier tastes. When they have spend countless hours over many years, and spent several hundered dollars out of their own pockets promoting and organizing this event, then they have a say in the name. (This part does not pertain to you Bill, as I know you had the initiative to work on your own meet)
To James Madson - If you are so upset with the V8 Meet...organize one yourself. Then you can call it whatever you want. Matter of fact, here is an offer. I am scheduled to put on the 2007 MG V8 Meet. (The second one I have organized) If you can convince me and the other organizers that you could competently handle it, I will step aside and let YOU have it. You can spend a whole year organizing, spending your own money and giving up a good portion of your family and free time to make the Meet a sucess.You can worry about hotels, race tracks, schedules, T-shirts, advertising, promotion, accounting, parking, refreshments, tech sessions, agendas, maps, etc., etc. etc.You can even change the name for that year to whatever floats your boat. Put up or shut up!
|Kurt you are correct when you write about time and money, but forgot to mention listening to complain during the event and countless suggestions, which some are good, but it takes time to listen to all of them.|
We are in an era of change in the British car arena, we are beginning to learn the needs of others with the same interest that did not existed in the past.
Our age group wants to drive the cars.
I attended Barret Jackson this year, the main interest of the buyers whom I spoke to, they wanted a car that they could drive and enjoy, cheaper than building one.
Some buyers did not care about matching # in Corvette they just wanted to drive that Hot Rod.
We like MGB’s that are practical-crazy and drive them.
We get our entertainment by doing what we do; let’s face it we are gear heads.
There is no reason to have discord among us; instead we should collect all that energy to make our interest a better one. Perhaps take it to the next level.
New magazines are emerging that caters to modified British cars, such as Retro from the UK, Total MGB’s from the UK these are great magazines that are not intended for museum cars but great for us the purist (pure car nuts)
Here in the US we have Classic Motor Sports; Tim Suddart is committed to have one of the best magazines that cater to our interest and getting better.
So lets get together to make events the best possible.
I think we have the most creative and nicest people in this forum, some times I laugh, some times I wish I was there to let them a hand. One thing for sure we have the most creative people in the auto interest world, more so than Street rods, Muscle cars world or any other auto group. There is always and exception, 4x4 rock climbers they have to be very creative.
I truly believe that MGB’s is the only marque that has the most engines swaps, maybe I am wrong, but it sure seems that way.
Let’s keep it going in the right direction, make it fun.
I am amazed by the devisive tone too several of the postings on this thread. Lets all take a step back and realize that we all have some things in common.
1. Our MGs were all made in england and left the factory with either 4 or 8 cyls.
2. Whatever the enging the car has, each year there are fewer and fewer of them on the road. This is the real tragedy.
3. All of our cars have probably been through severl owners, and each owner has left their mark on the car.
4. While factory support is no longer possible, we must therefore look to each other for the help, parts, knowledge, etc to keep these fine cars on the road.
The above being said, I believe that any change to a car from the way it left the factory is a modification. btw I am mostly a purest. (I said that in the interst of divulging my point of view).
For the purpose of this BBS, I think that we need an area for A,s, B,s C,s etc. We also need an area for conversions. I have noticed in our own club in MN that there are more and more conversions that are occuring. There are many challenges that come with converting a car from the way it left the factory too a new power plant.
I commend Jim Madson for doing an excellent job on this thread and for trying to share information, for that is what this BBS is all about, even if you do not agree with altering the cars or not.
|Kurt, thanks for the offer, but if you truely read my posts and conversations from the other threads than you would know that i have no desire to organize or put on a meet, gathering or whatevr name works for everyone. several reasons, not that any of them matter to this discussion.|
first, let me thank you for saying what some others did not want to say, "it is a v8 meet" which means exactly that, it is not intended to be for cars without v8's, unless as you state in the v8 newsletter that if a car is "deemed unique enough as a non v8 than it is welcome"
here are the points i made from the start:
you do not own an mg v8, you own an mg conversion, i own an mg v8 and it was built in abingdon
it is your event, by all means name it what ever you want, that is your right.
the organizers of this years event have posted on every non v8 thread relating to british cars, WHY? because to have a yearly event like this succeed it needs to grow and attract new members. if this event is truely opening and welcoming to all types of conversions, it is disengenuous (sp) to have a name that states one type of conversion, simple fact.
when i first asked about this rick i. told me that this event was underwritten by namgbr and from my understanding it is against the mission statement and by laws of this organization, namgbr, to fund (underwrite) an event with this name and function.
these are my only points, i am intersted in ALL british cars, not just a small crossection your "club or frat" as rick put it are.
lastly, would i come to one of these events with a non v8 car, yes . have i been to one of these events with a non v8 car, yes, but i hope to see a time in the near future when this name changes to truely be inclusive and not exclusive.
jim madson, 1960 mga v6, 1963 mgb v6, 1971 mini vtec, 1964 mini countryman rover k series, 1968 riley elf.
|< sigh >|
|I'm not a doctor but I play one on the BBS,Jim you have SCMS. Short Cylinder Man Syndrome,add two cylinder's and call me in the morning. Jim I hope you never let this issue go it makes for very entertaining reading. And yes I have a V8. Could you please explain to me your reasoning other than its not fair and the gathering will draw more people if you change the name.Those in charge of the gathering would you please respond to his comment so I can fully understand. Please do not hold back. Denny|
|"you do not own an mg v8, you own an mg conversion, i own an mg v8 and it was built in abingdon"|
It most certainly is am MG V8. I have a '68 Camaro that came from the factory as a 6 cylinder, 3 speed. I changed it to a 350/4 sp. Muncie 25 years ago. NOBODY cals it a conversion. MG & Rover offered a Buick/Rover V8. I call it Factory sanctioned. So do a lot of racing rule books.
If you want to get technical, you shouldn't be calling your's an mg v8, either. Call it what it is, an MGB GT V8.
|The statement from Jim M, |
"you do not own an mg v8, you own an mg conversion, i own an mg v8 and it was built in abingdon"
to me seems rather exclusive. Like he is differentiating between one car and another simply on the origin. Ethnocentrism i believe its called or can be compared to. Funny to hear from the same poster,
"but i hope to see a time in the near future when this name changes to truely be inclusive and not exclusive."
Too funny, my mgb roadster was built in Abingdon too. When it needed a motor rebuild, I put in a Buick 215, so now it is an MGB V8. Since the factory only made MGB GT V8's, Jim, I have an MGB V8 and you don't. Its just semantics like Carl said.
This is not and ad hominemm attack, just pointing out hypocricy when I read it.
I think we should have a heading for blown, injected, and intercooled Olds V8 MGB's with radical bodywork! Wait, that would be a class of one. Bad idea. But don't anyone try to tell me it isn't an MGB. And don't try to tell me it isn't a V8. And by no means try to tell me it isn't a V8 MGB, because that is most certainly exactly what it is. If anyone wants to differentiate their factory MGB GT V8, let them call it a "stock" MGB V8 and it won't hurt my feelings a bit. But don't try to tell me you have exclusive rights to a description that most certainly is not yours to control, and don't try to tell me it has to be referred to as a "conversion". It is not. It is in fact an artwork.
And you guys quit picking on Kurt. He's probably done more to get us to where we are now than anyone else on this forum. Nobody else started the MGB V8 Newsletter. Nobody else started the V8 MGB meets. And if he hadn't done it, it just might not have gotten done at all. Aside from that, as Kurt said the group has never been at all exclusive, but instead has welcomed stockers and modifieds alike, regardless of the number of cylinders. Any british car will always be well recieved at the meets, and even some not so british, as we have seen in the past. So far as I've been able to tell the 'charter' if there ever was such a thing has never changed, any more than the appreciation for engineering and customization solutions have. As far as the name goes, I was opposed to the change from MGB V8 to British V8, but could see the sense in it. But enough is enough. The emphasis is on power, and that is embodied in the V8 symbolism. 'Custom' or some other broad descriptor signifies something else entirely and really does not apply. Finally, lest we forget, the MGB GT V8 was a customization first and foremost, following in the long standing tradition at Abbingdon. Just a pity the factory had to be shamed into doing it.
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But don't anyone try to tell me it isn't an MGB. And don't try to tell me it isn't a V8. And by no means try to tell me it isn't a V8 MGB, because that is most certainly exactly what it is. If anyone wants to differentiate their factory MGB GT V8, let them call it a "stock" MGB V8 and it won't hurt my feelings a bit. But don't try to tell me you have exclusive rights to a description that most certainly is not yours to control, and don't try to tell me it has to be referred to as a "conversion". It is not. It is in fact an artwork.
And you guys quit picking on Kurt. He's probably done more to get us to where we are now than anyone else on this forum. Nobody else started the MGB V8 Newsletter. Nobody else started the V8 MGB meets. And if he hadn't done it, it just might not have gotten done at all. Aside from that, as Kurt said the group has never been at all exclusive, but instead has welcomed stockers and modifieds alike, regardless of the number of cylinders. Any british car will always be well recieved at the meets, and even some not so british, as we have seen in the past. So far as I've been able to tell the 'charter' if there ever was such a thing has never changed, any more than the appreciation for engineering and customization solutions have. As far as the name goes, I was opposed to the change from MGB V8 to British V8, but could see the sense in it. But enough is enough. The emphasis is on power, and that is embodied in the V8 symbolism. 'Custom' or some other broad descriptor signifies something else entirely and really does not apply. Finally, lest we forget, the MGB GT V8 was a customization first and foremost, following in the long standing tradition at Abingdon. Just a pity the factory had to be shamed into doing it.
Well put, Jim..
But Kurt has not been the only individual being picked on throughout this thread...James Madson has been after me since late January when I attempted to advise him on the MGB Experience BBS that we WELCOME any and all interested parties to the British V8 meets, but have no intention of changing the name!
Additionally, it should be clarified (and I've asked James Madson to post a retraction) that NAMGBR has NEVER funded any of the British (MG) V8 meets - we enjoy the luxury of the Register's liability insurance only. Half truths can be very damaging.
Thanks for your input...it is much appreciated!
co-coordinator, British V8 2005
The Driving Experience of 2005!
1974.5 MGB/GT V8 "conversational piece of artwork"
|thats funny dbw, i am no doctor either, rather a cook as labeled by some. i checked with My doctor, he said i did not have a case of SCMS, symptoms went away when i purchased my MGB-GT-V8, i showed him your post and he thought you might have a case of MM, misguided machismo. i can relate as i suffered from this in my teens but out grew it as most in my early 20's. he said he could refer you to a 12 step program to help deal with this debilitating condition? let me know if you need a phone number. all my best, |
and actually i did let it go until kurt put the post on directing me to put up or shut up, jim
|Wow! I know of one thing we can all agree on and that is someone will always disagree.|
Every time someone pushes a button there is always someone there to slam his finger with a hammer, wrong or right.
I never seen so much discord in one forum and admittedly I am a part of it.
I want to have fun, showoff and attempt any other perverted activity allowable by any event I attend.
I am in the Mini Owners of Ohio club and it has been in existence 35 years. We have the most outrageous selection of characters every assembled at the meets we put on or attend. It's true that we only cater to Mini types and maybe an occasional Austin America. I have seen everything from V8's to two cylinder cars and even an electric Mini. I have never ever heard any discord about the events from anyone. All us old timers have the respect from other clubs and members and we show the same respect. I hope this problem with identification doesn't carry over to the Terre Haute meet.
Michael S. I wish you hadn't mentioned diesels at this point in time. Due to the fuel "crisis" upon us I wonder if a Perkins diesel in that old MGB outback, running on McDonald's French fry oil, would be a viable solution to stop the draining of my pocket book. Hmmmm!
All us old timers have the respect from other clubs and members and we show the same respect. I hope this problem with identification doesn't carry over to the Terre Haute meet.
Dann...I *am* an olde-timer....and contrary to some of the posts on this BBS, I am ***very*** accepting of all marques and conversion.
British V8 2005 at Terre Haute will be no different from any of the past meets in regards to acceptance (etc), I can assure you.
How it will differ is in its opportunity to test the perfomrance of your car!
that being said....
COME ON OUT!!!!
|Rick, I will be there for sure. Our shop rep wasn't able to get on the dyno at Grand Rapids but we did weigh the car. A strapping 2150 lbs. if I recall.We will do it this time for sure. |
See you there.
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