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MG MGB Technical - SU REBUILD KIT SAL-1468 (F AND R) ???

Was sorting some SU rebuild kits tonight. Came across one set that I'm not sure about. Hoping someone might have a reference source that can identify.

The packages are NOS (ebay purchase) and have part numbers SAL-1468F and SAL-1468R. Each kit contains a jet, needle, float needle with seat, float lever pin, float bowl adaptor and all gaskets. The jet needles are of the fixed type with the number 468 etched in at the top. From the package label, it appears that the kits were from a company named SAL. There's also a sticker on each package suggesting the kits were sold by BECK ARNLEY. Except for the 468 needles, the kit parts appear identical to those used on my HS-4 (AUD135) carbs.
Steve Buchina

Steve,

The numbers don't tie in with the SU references I have - I wonder if they are parts for the Nippon Denso carbs which are SU lookalikes.
Chris at Octarine Services

Steve, I used to work for Jerry Salny, SALcorp in NJ, packaging and shipping, and selling those kits back in 1972 through 75. (I moved away)Beck/Arnley was a major customer, as was Vera, Nisonger, Columbia, and BAP. The product is still being made, and I've seen many Moss kits of his stuff. All very, very good components. He makes/made the jets which are as good or better than Burlein, and waaaay better than the black rubber tubed "universally handed" ones from Royze. His float needles are better, too.

The needles all had different numbers stamped on them from what SU used, but I have the cross references. The 1468 kit number refers to the needle 468, which is equivalent to an SU #6. The application is for MGB with emmisions HS4 1968 to 1970.

You have a very, very good product. Enjoy.

If I can answer further questions, let me know.

Peer Caldwell... now in WI still doing similar tasks.
Peter Caldwell

Chris,
Thanks for looking. Like you, I couldn't find anything in the books I have (e.g., SU CARBURETORS by Haynes). Internet searches didn't bring up anything either.

Peter,
Thanks for the ID and background info. Yes, they are high quality kits - much superior to today's usual offerings. Actually found another SAL/VERA kit (e.g., T-9096/SU-554) along with several Nisonger kits (e.g., A-6 and A-11) last night. All were from ebay postings and purchased over the last year or so - I bid on all that I see.

With your experience (I need to read more), what are the differences between the kits? The kit numbers are different, but the jets all look the same and seem to fit well to any HS-4 carb in my inventory. Are the bores different or does the kit number variance rest with the needles?

Does "SALcorp in NJ" have a website or catalog? I'm always looking for new sources for parts. I have a need for some new jet bearings - now. I'm wanting to refurbish some old AUD52, AUD135 and AUD265 carbs that have been shelved too long in my garage.

Again - thanks for your help.


Steve Buchina

The SALT-9096 is just the float needle and seat assembly. The part number is derived from AUD9096. SU554 is the Royze kit for 64-67 Bs if my memory serves.

This is my business, email directly for further help.

Peter
Peter Caldwell

If the kit includes needles, then it will have it's own part number. Many kits don't include needles, which makes the kit nearly universal for HS2 & HS4. Real SU kits have float bowl grommets, which alter the angle of the float bowls to suit different manifolds, like Mini are a different angle from Spridget. So kit numbers will also vary by that if they are full kits and not just "tune-up" kits.
FRM
FR Millmore

Peter,
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Actually found another SAL/VERA kit (e.g., T-9096/SU-554)
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This kit is like a package within a package.

The outer clear plastic envelope has several stickers:
SU-554 (F/R, I have both kits)
VERAVERA 52 01016
52 CARBURET 01016

The contained kit components come with an instruction sheet (light orange) labeled:
SAL T-9096
FLOAT NEEDLE AND SEATING FOR SU CARBURETORS
Replaces: AUD 9096, AUC 1859 (T-2), AUC 8086 (T-2), AND AUC 8170 (T-1)

Opening the package, I find:
needle valve and seat
float pin
jet with #455 needle
float bowl to carb adaptor (neoprene grommet)
float bowl gasket
damper washer
air filter to carb gaskets
spacer (mounting) gaskets
one brass (throttle shaft?) washer

Great kits - wish they came with a jet bearings. I seem to remember (set) kits from the early 70's that included jet bearings with new caps and piston dampers. May have also contained throttle shafts and discs with screws. Such kits ran slightly less than $40 back then. Wonder what that would be in today's dollars?

FR,
If I follow, you're saying that these jets are all the same and one need not worry about matching a particular needle to a particular jet. That is, one only needs to choose a jet needle to match a particular B's performance needs. For my AUD135 carbs, I've always used #5 needles. When mounted to any of my B's ('66B to '80LE), throttle response and mileage seems pretty good.
Steve Buchina

Steve-
Jets come in .090, for H*2 &4, and .100 for H*6 &8, and .125 for H*8. Rarely these sizes are used out of this range, but that's all the jet sizes there are; consequently there are only three ranges of needles, not counting the spring loaded kind. Within a size range, needles are interchangeable, nothing matched about them. There are different actual jets for H, HS, HD carbs (and a few rare ones, like Jag thermo), and within HS they come Left, Right, and "universal" - which isn't right for anything.
Why do you need jet bearings? I've done a million of these, and never replaced a bearing, and I actually have bearings for some. The only wear is in using the "choke" and is negligible over any of our lifetimes.
FRM
FR Millmore

FR,
Thanks for the jet and needle info. Thought this was the case, but was looking for confirmation. The Haynes manual has needle charts within the back pages that remind me (too much) of log tables.

Jet bearings:
I've picked up quite a few HS-4 carb sets (or bodies) over the years (salvage yards/ebay) and a number are wanting on the bottom side. For some, the jet bearing was missing and on others, missing jet adjusting nuts resulted in compression damage to the threaded end of the bearings. Otherwise, the carb bodies with chamber and piston assemblies are in good shape.
Steve Buchina

Minty SU Needle Compare-o-rama .

If you use any wideband AFR setup ( mine is the Innovate LM-1) you can use the graph showing RPM to AFR to select a needle that will provide you with the 12 or 14 stations of the approximately correct diameter.

We have reached tech advance that now allows any idiot to well-tune the SU throughout its range.

Say goodbye to the rubber hose and those goofy pin lifts, the back most one is impossible to reach, to "listen" to the "response" from a 1/16th inch of the piston
vem myers

Well - perhaps for some. I'm still trying to get a new combo FAX-PRINTER-SCANNER-COPY machine hooked up to a 98/PC. At my age, I'm just thankful the rubber hose is still working.
Steve Buchina

This thread was discussed between 23/03/2007 and 24/03/2007

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