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MG MGF Technical - Brake pads references ?
I've searched the archive but haven't found what I'm looking for.
What are the references of the different brake pads available (green stuff, Kevlar, ...), Front & Rear ?
I remember they are from EBC or Mintex ...
At 30 K miles, my front pads are still good for another 3000 miles, not a lot more.
It's time to order some uprated pads and do the change myself.
|It's me again !|
I've found this :
No application list (thus no references), but it says Green Stuff pads are made of Kevlar.
I've just looked in the Brown and Gammons book and the Kevlar ones are:-
BGF 0099 £29.99 Front
BGF 0199 " Rear
BGF 0100 £39.99 Front and the rear ones you'll have to phone up for theres no part number or price given.
The mintex are supposed to be the better ones, though there are others out there who can help you more.
Hope this helps.
Brown and Gammons EBC pads are Kevlar, says they are suitable for normal use whilst the greenstuff are more suitable for normal, fast road cars, light race and club rally use. Then there is the competition red stuff suitable for more serious circuit racing.
|sorry to be boring, I found also this one explaining differences between "standard" kevlar and "green stuff" kevlar pads :|
don't miss the graph at the bottom of the page
does anyone have the EBC references of these pads, not the B&G references as I want to order them in Belgium ?
|Thanks JFK / Fabrice,|
Excellent and timely information as I'll be changing my pads within the next 2-3 weeks.
Are B&G the cheapest source known for 'Green Stuff' in the UK, or has anyone else got any recommendations. I'll be doing a full set change front(s) & rear(s) and as usual every penny saved counts !
|EBC reference to the Green Stuff is DP2817.|
For a general vehicle listing remember that the F caliper is exactly the same as the Rover Metro GTi, (MPi versions) although all Rover Metros list the same OE pad. This provides another vehicle for which these pads will be listed for.
|Thanks Rog !|
Is the reference you gave the one for the front pads, isn't it ?
Do you know the Green Stuff reference for the rear pads ?
Or the Kevlar reference for the rear ?
Maybe Rob knows as I remember it's the setup he has chosen (Green Stuff front / Kevlar rear)
|I ordered my pads through Hector at HJW Motorsport (http://www.mgcars.org.uk/hjw-motorsport/)- he provides an excellent service, being a small company, and is marginally cheaper than B&G. You can order by e-mail, and Hector does mail-order.|
Unfortunately, GreenStuff pads are NOT available for the rear caliper, which is why I have gone for the 'standard' Kevlar rear pads.
Slightly off thread, but useful to note is the bedding-in instructions. Do follow them, as the kevlar pads in particular a very sensitive to how they are bedded in. If the intructions are not followed carefully, the pads can start to break up which great big chunks of pad falling out, with accelerated wear... I've heard of this happening a couple of times now.
Another pad option are the Mintex pads- Paul and Mike are very happy with their 1177s. I understand that these are available for all four calipers.
Seems to me that we need a comparison to tell us which brake pads are the best...
can you provide me the reference for the EBC 'standard' Kevlar rear pads ?
|No worries Fabrice, I'll find the part number for you. Having said that, Hector found that info for me, so if you did drop him a line, he'd know what you were talking about! |
a bit late.. I'm still also intzerested. Fabrice, Rob if you find out all required data, then please let me know :))
Rob, the HJW Link is dead, already since last week, but I forgot to write and ask for new information.
I tried it some days ago with Rogs hint on the Metro brakes at a german supplier .. http://www.suspension.de manufacturer 'Ferodo'
They should have been for the 'Maestro/Montega' with their Part No. FCP 274 S. (DM 192)
Rog, sorry in advance if that comparison is stupid and wrong :), but I'm not that heritage expert :)
Unfortunately they took this pads out of their supplies, cause of no sales in the last years :( So it seams not worth to investigate more on the 'Ferodo' pads.
Anyway, Fabrice, count me in please for a omnibus purchase. May be Tony would be also interested ??:)
- now 70k km on the clock -
|You are absolutely right Dieter- when did that happen? I'll contact Hector to see if I can't find out the new URL.|
|Fabrice, et all,|
The part numbers I quoted are for the fronts.
Dieter, yes the Maestro/Montego front application uses a different caliper to the Metro/MGF.
Rob, You mention Mintex 1177, I have to admit being out of touch with the Mintex product range and missed an opportunity to visit their stand at a recent trade show. Has 1177 replaced 1144?
|Techspeed favour Mintex over EBC.|
While 1177 are very effective, Techspeed have suggested that they will eat discs. Possibly a case of replacing the discs everytime the pads are changed.
The Mintex 1166 will be kinder to the discs - but is less effective.
(with EBC Greens in the front which are a VAST improvement over the Rover part)
The Mintex range still has M1144, M1155, M1166 and M1177.
The M1144s are 'fast road'. The other three are for 'competition use only'
and may be harder to come by.
I use 1177s and, as Paul points out, they eat discs, but they don't half stop you!!
I was going to go for 1155 or 1166s but they require a bit of heat to work well.
As my car is very much and everyday car and not and out and out sprint car
I wanted to stop at the end of my road without heat in the pads(!)
The techspeed bods recommended the 1177s as they don't require any
heat to stop you in a 'normal' way. When hot they are incredible!
Downside is that I'll need to replace my discs more often and they sqeal a bit.
Well worth it.
Some stuff I found :
REPLACES THE RENOWNED M171 MATERIAL IDEAL FOR FAST ROAD, RALLY & TRACK.
DEMONSTRATES EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH FRICTION STABILITY UP TO 400°C.
A UNIQUE FORMULATION ENABLING USE AT TEMPERATURES UP TO 700°C.
GIVES FIRST TIME BRAKING WITH NO SPECIAL BEDDING REQUIREMENTS.
ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED FOR CIRCUIT RACING, THIS MATERIAL HAS A
STABLE COEFFICIENT OF FRICTION UP TO 800°C USED EXTENSIVELY IN
GROUP A RALLYING."
Nothing on the M1177s I'm afraid...
This thread was discussed between 18/05/2000 and 21/05/2000
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