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MG MGF Technical - FAO Rob Bell, Re: Trevor Taylor Exaust
|Hi Rob. Just wanted to ask a couple of questions on the Trevor Taylor Exaust as i believe you have one fitted.|
1: I'm thinking of having one fitted onto a newish F which hasn't run in yet, Would that be a problem to the car and/or warranty?
2: I think the exaust looks pants! Is there anything i can do to make it look a bit better?
3: I'm not planning on a cat bypass, Will it still sound good?
4: I lost the website address, Much appreciated if you good post it up for me again. I believe that they fit the exaust for you free of charge? Am i right?
Thanks Rob. I just got back today and saw that "steam thread". Good luck whatever happens.
you know, the TT is just THE best sounding exhaust on the planet. This was broaght back to me whedn I heard Yimmy driving my F away the other day. Fing fantastic! I'd love to hear it on the track... on the outside- always sounds exciting from the drivers seat! :o)
Sorry, I'll stop rambling now! LOL
1. Exhausts do no harm. Less back pressure should actually do some good (and maybe even reduce engine bay temps if the hot exhaust gases are extracted more rapidly)- but this is strictly unproven!
Waranty. Ah. Tricky- but I suggest you have a chat to your servicing MG dealership. As with K&N filters, different dealers have differing poilicies regarding after market items such as exhausts. Many will be fine about it.
2. Yeah- it looks rather poo doesn't it. I use mine without any finishers- and have rather come to like the industrial brutism of the thing! LOL However, there is no reason why ANY aftermarket tail pipe finisher could be used, so long as it fits over the big bore exhaust tubing (over 58 mm in diameter if I recall correctly, and that rules out most of the stuff that Halfords sell). Not necessarily a cheap option- you have to buy two, but the result would be HIGHLY individual and potentially attractive, to the extent that I have almost circumed to this option on many occasion!
3. Do NOT remove the cat bypass. It is already 90+ dB loud (many circuits have a 95 dB limit, and the standard system is 65 dB-ish loud to give a frame of reference)- and removing the cat would make it UNHEALTHILY loud. If you fit the TT, I'd recommend fitting some acoustic sound deadening material on the engine cover plate anyway- cuts the noise appreciably- especially if like me yoiu have a K&N fitted too.
4. Trevor's web site is http://www.mgcars.org/trevortaylor Really nice guy- his services come highly recommended.
PS thanks for the kind words of support on the steam front- I am hoping for the best- I'd hate to think that me ol' motor would blot its 100% reliability record now :o(
|Thanks Rob! You got to be the coolest person on this BBS! I have decided to go for the Trevor Taylor hands down! (Anyone ever tell you that you should have become a sales man! lol!).|
Thanks again. I hope to give Trevor a call this week and Maybe get it fit on Monday. I'll let you and everyone else know how it goes.
|Flattery gets you everywhere Matt!!!<chuckle>|
Lot's of people here suggest that I should consider a different vocation, but I'm not sure what they mean ;o) LOL
|Ah yes, but can you get a doctorate in MG advice? ;-)|
Dr, Dr, Doc Bob....
Have to disagree on one thing:
Daren Jackson's F with the cat removed sounds the dogs danglies...Your's is good, his is superb IMO :o)
Think mines running at over 100db now!!! Don't think I'll be doing any track days then :o(
|Yeah, but how many miles does Daren travel? Thankfully not many in his car, otherwise we'd need to learn sign language to talk to him! ;o)|
100 dB Dave?! Your gunna have to prove it matey. Betcha Daren's car is louder!
Haven't measured mine, just going by similar cars which were measured at the Emerald rolling road session a few weeks back....
I don't want mine as loud as Daren's....just like the noise :o)
I know what you mean. IMO Janspeed exhausts sound pretty mean too. The one on Matt's car at our exhaust test sounded fantastic- just a shame it was down on power compared to its rivals.
|You don't buy an exhaust for the power though....If you want power go for cams. Exhaust turns a hair dryer sounding car (MG & Elise) into a fire breathing monster...well nearly :o) Hehehe|
|If you want a fire breathing monster, inject fuel into the tail pipes and add an ignition source, and bingo, a weapon of mass destruction on the A127... ;o)|
...I'll get my coat.
Rob, I assume that's your batman outfit that you've gone to get ;o) Sounds like you want a bat-mobile!
|Ah- there's a cartoon here... :o)|
|I tried calling both numbers on Trevor's website but neither worked. Lets hope i get a reply to the e-mail i just sent! =(|
Btw. Has anyone got any sound clips of the Fxtreme Exaust?
|No, but I could possibly make some if you're interested... :o) Need to sort the car out first though, so it may be a week or two.|
The numbers aren't working? Is there a mobile number there? Odd...
Are things okay in the world Of Trevor Taylor? Anyone know anything?
Just called Trevor, The mobile is working again. It looks like things are not too well at the moment, He's off work ill - Long term. Hope he gets better soon.
He's also told me that he doesn't have any of the Fxtreme exausts in stock due to him not being at work and he told me to phone back in a few months.
Mayjor bummer! I was really hoping to get the Trevor Taylor, Not for the performance but the sound! =(
I guess i'll start looking at other options. Maybe the Mike Satur Exaust?
|the Mike Satur is good certainly- we voted the best sounding exhaust over all in the MG World test.|
The closest you can get to a TT in sound without actually buying one is the Janspeed. Nice deep bassy note.
|Dear All |
Hello, long time no see and all that....
I like the sound of my SP, even though my mates say it sounds like an XR3i.
Even my girlfriend likes it.
N440 GYG, 1.8i, BRG
|Has anyone got a janspeed? The mild steel one is only £235 including VAT which is much cheaper than any other systems I've seen. Is it worth it?|
|I guess the other systems (i.e Daytona for sure, not sure about TT) are stainless steel and last for decades. Ok, maybe not decades but longer than the mild steel, which will rust.|
|The TT is high grade s/s too.|
M/s is a reasonable option IMO, as the system gets hot quickly- and this seems to reduce the amount of corrosion...
Note, however, that the standard box is *I think* s/s... Mine's still in the loft looking remarkably good after all these years...
|There has been a lot of good info. on various exhaust systems for the 'F'and I guess most decisions are made after having heard a particular exhaust note that suits the individulal. |
Whilst recently wasting some time waiting for my VVC to be MOT'd, I went into the auto shop attached to my main MG dealer and saw a Scorpion exhaust system for the 'F'displayed in the window and I assumed therefore that the dealer was promoting it as an option. I have to say it looked very well made, was stainles steele and looked great.It was about 380 pounds which seems expensive compared to many of the other makes around. However I have not seen any comments on this BBS regarding the sound and suitability for the car. Has anyone had any experience of the Scorpion system or had it fitted to their car and would know how it sounds.?
|I have the Janspeed mild steel version. I've had it quite a while now (ironically Trevor Taylor fitted it for me along with the Kat Kit). I think Matt and I got ours around the same time. If you do go for it I ordered mine thru Demon Tweeks, ensure they place the tail pipe finishers the right way up ... on mine the Janspeed logo is facing the ground.|
The sound is not instrusive except when first starting and when putting your foot down - but with a K&N as well it doesn't really matter. One thing against it is weight it is quite heavy in comparision to the stainless steel versions out there. Also the box itself is quite substantial compared to the TT. Also both pipes are open as opposed to the TT which has a reduced flow thru one pipe. However that means that it is not a 'purist' straight thru design like the TT.
I guess the only downside is the exhaust box is black as opposed to the shiny silver of others. So viewed from the back things look a little gloomy. The exhaust finishers are round and reasonably substantial. IMO the round finishers look nicer than ovals. I'm not to keen on the industrial look of the TT and SP ends - the rear look tends to get lost since the edges are quite thin.
|Forgot to mention - most endearing feature ... the deep drone just after you take your foot off the accelerator. Great combination with the K&N - full on with the filter whilst accelerating and then the drone kicks in afterwards.|
Unfortunately I've only ever heard the sounds properly when I lent my car to a friend and he drove off while I looked on. Inside the car you don't really know how the car sounds to others around you. I guess much like when you hear a recording of yourself for the first time and realise your voice sounds nothing like how you hear yourself thru your head.
|Sorry to jump in on your thread! My last message is probably best as a new thread but would still appreciate your comments.|
|Personally I like the higher pitch of the SP SS (sorry Miltech), sort of Formula three type sound. It also has quite a shallow silencer box compared to others.|
Trevors is a little too deep for my liking, but still a good unit.
The Mike Satur unit is somewhere in between sounding nice too, it also gave the most power in the test if I remember correctly.
Stanless exhausts are better value because they last longer, if however you will not be keeping the car for a long time it could be seen as a waste of money and you would be better getting a mild steel unit.
We are only talking a maximum of +5 BHP as far as power is concerned over the standard unit anyway, so really it's only down to looks and sound when it comes to choosing a "performance" exhaust.
|Tom- I had tried to get a Scorpion for the exhaust test, but unfortunately they were having manufacturing problems at the time which meant it didn't get included- a shame, because as you say, it looks fabulously well made.|
Can't help you with performance/sounds stakes- ask the dealer to fit it to a demonstrator perhaps? Then let us all know the result!!!
|Well having just looked on Mike's website, Just realised that the MS Daytona is *only* £295 and about £50 VAT which is cheaper than Trevor's Exaust.|
Anyone know roughly how many db loud the Daytona is? Using Rob's guidance he said that the TT is 90+ dB loud and the SS is about 65 dB loud.
What can i hope for with a Daytona and how would it sound without the cat? Mike? You around maybe?
I know i'm being a pain in the ar*e guys, But i REALLY want a new exaust. Thanks for not minding! :o)
I have two Janspeed exhausts on me!
Gaz yep we got ours from Demon Tweeks at the same time.
My first one had the janspeed logo on the underneath too!! second one was right
I run mine with a cat bypass tube, which makes my F
pretty darn loud!!
What are you doing with two exhausts - not trying to get four pipes in the back are u ??
|The Mike Satur Exhaust gives you a choice of chrome finishers. The only difference between the 4 pipe and 2 pipe is the finishers, as far as I know. |
I think Scarlet has one of the MS prototypes ("not a lot of people know that" :-)
|If anyone is interested, I have a Trevor Taylor FXtreme exhaust for sale for £245 ono as I am about to get rid of the F. Call me on 07974 248563 if you are interested in buying it - the exhaust, not the F.|
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