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MG MGF Technical - Rolling Road Day

Is there one of these in the planning? I think it would have to be Emerald. I ask because the F is currently at Tech-Speed having new cams fitted and obviously I am keen to quantify the change.

The last RR day at Emerald was in the snow so the current cold weather would give a good comparison.

Possibly early in the new year?

Steve
Steve Ratledge

I'd be interested in one around Feb/March time to test the mods I'm having done in January, if something could be organised.

Steve
Steve White

I was looking into this because of recent mods to my car (cams/ manifold etc) - but have been so snowed under I haven't done any more about it.

Starting a new job in Feb - so won't know what my availability will be until then - but Feb/ March is a possibility for me :o)
Rob Bell

I'd be interested too.

Fiona :-)
Fiona

Hi all

I would be interested as i would like to get som acurate figures before i start engine mods?

Anyone else done this .....?

regards
jonathan
JR LEE

Oh yes - been on that road for quite some time. Part of the reason for returning to Emerald - they've got a very reproducible RR, and have a historical database of all my previous attendences :o)
Rob Bell

Yeah, I went to Emerald earlier in the year to get a base line figure for my car. However, they screwed up my run - so there's no point in me going back now that I've made some mods.

Ralph
Ralph

As Rob says we've been planning a return to Emerald for a while, but decided to wait until he's got his new work schedule. My car is in need of a further RR run to discover the impact of the Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold/sports cat/straight through exhaust. That's the only change since my last run at Emerald.

For all those interested please either email me or Rob and we'll build a list, sort a date and let everyone know.
Dave Livingstone

List so far:

Rob Bell - MGF 1.8i with ported TF135 head, TF135 cams, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold and Mike Satur Imola exhaust. Enclosed K&N filter.
Dave Livingstone - MGF VVC DVA ported head, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and back box. ITG Maxogen filter.
Roger Parker - not sure what Rog will bring along yet... ;o)
Stu Dickens - MGF VVC with ported head, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold. Maxogen filter
Steve Ratlidge - MGF 1.8 with Sabre (?) ported head, cams (Piper?). Enclosed K&N filter
Steve White - TF160 with PTP head, manifold and X-Power back box (?)
Fiona

I know I am missing quite a few car details here - but please feel free to fill in the gaps :o)

Clearly there are a couple of cars here with some serious modifications, but please don't let that put anyone off bringing a standard car. As Jonathon says, if you want to know whether those darkside modifications you plan work, then getting a good baseline now is a very good idea. :o)

Rob Bell

Made a few alterations the spec I should have by then :oD

Rob Bell - MGF 1.8i with ported TF135 head, TF135 cams, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold and Mike Satur Imola exhaust. Enclosed K&N filter.
Dave Livingstone - MGF VVC DVA ported head, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and back box. ITG Maxogen filter.
Roger Parker - not sure what Rog will bring along yet... ;o)
Stu Dickens - MGF VVC with ported head, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold. Maxogen filter
Steve Ratlidge - MGF 1.8 with Sabre (?) ported head, cams (Piper?). Enclosed K&N filter
Steve White - TF160 with PTP 210 EFI ECU and MTBs), Exige airbox, Janspeed 4-2-1, decat, TT silencer.
Steve White

Will be very interesting to see how well that goes when it is fitted Steve :o) Looks as though you ought to have the most powerful engine - Dave is the current power-leader, but Dave's only at 175 bhp before changing the manifold, and I would think that 180 is the ceiling for his engine with the current set up.

Stu's engine is going to be something of a black horse - but it ought to be pretty good! :o) But again, only a single TB, so unlikely to touch your beastie!
Rob Bell

Fiona - MGF VVC, K&N filter (not enclosed), Trev Taylor Xtreme MarkII exhaust on the way :-)
Fiona

Looking forward to seeing that new 'zorst Fiona - have fond memories of my old Trev :o)
Rob Bell

Rob, I could be tempted to bring the Orange car along.

Tim
Tim

Would be good to see what the Tango express is capable of Tim! :o)

Remind me of the engine specs again? 1.8i, standard head and a pair of 285 cams?
Rob Bell

Count me in!!

Nothing major done to mine as yet but a base figure would be very handy to know before I turn mine over to DVA next year.

2001 Trophy 160 - Milltek SP exhaust, K&N semi enclosed.

(Oh, and where is Emerald?)
Kris

Excellent Kris, welcome aboard :o)

Emerald is in the furthest wilds of Norfolk (Watton) - directions: http://www.emeraldm3d.com/em_contact_maps.html

It's worth the trip IMO - and is widely regarded as one of the 'gold standard' roads for K-series engined cars (the Elise boys use it frequently)

List currently stands at:

Rob Bell - MGF 1.8i with ported TF135 head, TF135 cams, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold and Mike Satur Imola exhaust. Enclosed K&N filter.
Dave Livingstone - MGF VVC DVA ported head, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and back box. ITG Maxogen filter.
Roger Parker - not sure what Rog will bring along yet... ;o)
Stu Dickens - MGF VVC with ported head, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold. Maxogen filter
Steve Ratlidge - MGF 1.8 with Sabre (?) ported head, cams (Piper?). Enclosed K&N filter
Steve White - TF160 with PTP 210 EFI ECU and MTBs), Exige airbox, Janspeed 4-2-1, decat, TT silencer.
Fiona - MGF VVC, K&N filter (not enclosed), Trev Taylor Xtreme MarkII exhaust
Kris - Trophy 160 - Milltek SP exhaust, K&N semi enclosed.
Rob Bell

It's more of a Tigger (a Black and Orange Cat) Express.
Standard head
Straight though exhaust
Piper 633 cams
Verniers (quite aggressively timed considering no MTB's)
Tim

I haven't seen it bounce yet Tim (and after all, that is what Tiggers do best...)

1. Rob Bell - MGF 1.8i with ported TF135 head, TF135 cams, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold and Mike Satur Imola exhaust. Enclosed K&N filter.
2. Dave Livingstone - MGF VVC DVA ported head, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and back box. ITG Maxogen filter.
3. Roger Parker - not sure what Rog will bring along yet... ;o)
4. Stu Dickens - MGF VVC with ported head, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold. Maxogen filter
5. Steve Ratlidge - MGF 1.8 with Sabre (?) ported head, cams (Piper?). Enclosed K&N filter
6. Steve White - TF160 with PTP 210 EFI ECU and MTBs), Exige airbox, Janspeed 4-2-1, decat, TT silencer.
7. Fiona - MGF VVC, K&N filter (not enclosed), Trev Taylor Xtreme MarkII exhaust
8. Kris - Trophy 160 - Milltek SP exhaust, K&N semi enclosed.
9. Tim Woolcott - Caterham 7 (Tigger Orange!) - standard head, 633 cams, 4-2-1 manifold and straight-through exhaust
Rob Bell

Pencil me in for two power runs, with enough time in between to swap induction kits please. Yet to find out whether my prototype is actually doing any good or not, would hate to think I shed so much blood in vain ;o) That's the only power mod on a much abused 1.8i.

There might be an MR2 owner wanting a power run for his DIY turbo conversion too, but since at Month 14 of the project it'll only run for 5 minutes before the dashboard does a christmas tree, he's probably only a light pencil...
Mike Hankin

Rob slight correct to the spec.

5. Steve Ratledge - MGF 1.8i with Race Speed RS-140/150 ported head, 633 cams, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold, Miltek Supersports back box. Enclosed K&N

I am hoping to break the 160bhp barrier. Although the newly fitted 633 cams need a bit of timing work.

Steve
Steve Ratledge

LOL Mike - yup, no problem with a flakey old MR2 Turbo. What kind of power is he looking for when the project is complete (are projects ever completed???) I've gone all gold-fish again - what is his name again? It's getting embarrising, I've met him a few times now!!! (_8(I) D'oh!

Steve, oooooo! 160? That'd be a nice figure to have. Tim's hit fractionally more than that on the standard throttle body, so it is certainly achievable.

I have to say that Tim's F at Castle Combe felt absolutely brilliant (especially reining in that Westfield ;o) - not sure that Sue "the rev limiter" was as impressed...)

Anyroad up, list now stands at:

1. Rob Bell - MGF 1.8i with ported TF135 head, TF135 cams, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold and Mike Satur Imola exhaust. Enclosed K&N filter.
2. Dave Livingstone - MGF VVC DVA ported head, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and back box. ITG Maxogen filter.
3. Roger Parker - not sure what Rog will bring along yet... ;o)
4. Stu Dickens - MGF VVC with ported head, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold. Maxogen filter
5. Steve Ratledge - MGF 1.8i with Race Speed RS-140/150 ported head, 633 cams, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold, Miltek Supersports back box. Enclosed K&N
6. Steve White - TF160 with PTP 210 EFI ECU and MTBs), Exige airbox, Janspeed 4-2-1, decat, TT silencer.
7. Fiona - MGF VVC, K&N filter (not enclosed), Trev Taylor Xtreme MarkII exhaust
8. Kris - Trophy 160 - Milltek SP exhaust, K&N semi enclosed.
9. Tim Woolcott - Caterham 7 (Tigger Orange!) - standard head, 633 cams, 4-2-1 manifold and straight-through exhaust
10. Mike Hankin - MGF 1.8, top secret filter arrangement
11. MR2 Turbo
Rob Bell

Rob, not an expression I remember seeing before ;o)

The MR2 Paul is building has a few 'extras' so something towards 300bhp should be feasible. Thinking about it, is Emerald geared up for cars with chargecoolers? Leave Paul off for now, I'll check with him later.

Mike Hankin

Emerald should be fine with charge coolers - they run the turbotechnic cars there; they're equipped with chargecoolers.

Okay, let me know what Paul wants to do. I am looking forward to seeing what this beastie is capable of! :o)
Rob Bell

I'd like to give it a go this year post a winter trip to Techspeed.

Marc Hanson MGF VVC, 52mm TB, Motobuild "rice cooker" enclosed K&N filter, Janspeed 4 2 1 manifold, Miltek SP back box.

Recorded 160 bhp at the wheels at Southern Carbs RR, will be interesting to see what Emerald's RR make of it. May have had my head ported by then too!

ps Rob Ive dropped Lawrie a line about the target times for the championship next year needing to distinguish between Fs and TFs. Could you do the same for moral support? I suppose the Manx classic is a no no for you given your new job :-(
m hanson

1. Rob Bell - MGF 1.8i with ported TF135 head, TF135 cams, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold and Mike Satur Imola exhaust. Enclosed K&N filter.
2. Dave Livingstone - MGF VVC DVA ported head, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and back box. ITG Maxogen filter.
3. Roger Parker - not sure what Rog will bring along yet... ;o)
4. Stu Dickens - MGF VVC with ported head, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold. Maxogen filter
5. Steve Ratledge - MGF 1.8i with Race Speed RS-140/150 ported head, 633 cams, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold, Miltek Supersports back box. Enclosed K&N
6. Steve White - TF160 with PTP 210 EFI ECU and MTBs), Exige airbox, Janspeed 4-2-1, decat, TT silencer.
7. Fiona - MGF VVC, K&N filter (not enclosed), Trev Taylor Xtreme MarkII exhaust
8. Kris - Trophy 160 - Milltek SP exhaust, K&N semi enclosed.
9. Tim Woolcott - Caterham 7 (Tigger Orange!) - standard head, 633 cams, 4-2-1 manifold and straight-through exhaust
10. Mike Hankin - MGF 1.8, top secret filter arrangement
11. Marc Hanson MGF VVC, 52mm TB, Motobuild "rice cooker" enclosed K&N filter, Janspeed 4 2 1 manifold, Miltek SP back box.

Marc, will do - although I don't appear to have been sent the target times, despite two emails from Lawrie!
Rob Bell

I'd like some of that please;
K13 head, Emerald ECU and a lamda sensor that works..
Nik

Nik, does this mean you've cracked the problem? :o)

1. Rob Bell - MGF 1.8i with ported TF135 head, TF135 cams, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold and Mike Satur Imola exhaust. Enclosed K&N filter.
2. Dave Livingstone - MGF VVC DVA ported head, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Powerspeed 4-2-1 manifold, sports cat and back box. ITG Maxogen filter.
3. Roger Parker - not sure what Rog will bring along yet... ;o)
4. Stu Dickens - MGF VVC with ported head, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold. Maxogen filter
5. Steve Ratledge - MGF 1.8i with Race Speed RS-140/150 ported head, 633 cams, FSE fuel pressure regulator, Janspeed 4-2-1 manifold, Miltek Supersports back box. Enclosed K&N
6. Steve White - TF160 with PTP 210 EFI ECU and MTBs), Exige airbox, Janspeed 4-2-1, decat, TT silencer.
7. Fiona - MGF VVC, K&N filter (not enclosed), Trev Taylor Xtreme MarkII exhaust
8. Kris - Trophy 160 - Milltek SP exhaust, K&N semi enclosed.
9. Tim Woolcott - Caterham 7 (Tigger Orange!) - standard head, 633 cams, 4-2-1 manifold and straight-through exhaust
10. Mike Hankin - MGF 1.8, top secret filter arrangement
11. Marc Hanson - MGF VVC, 52mm TB, Motobuild "rice cooker" enclosed K&N filter, Janspeed 4 2 1 manifold, Miltek SP back box.
12. Nik - MGF VVC, DVA K13 head, Emerald ECU, 4-2-1 manifold and a lamda sensor that works..
Rob Bell

Ohh, very nice and impressive list you've got there.

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Marc Hanson MGF VVC, 52mm TB, Motobuild "rice cooker" enclosed K&N filter, Janspeed 4 2 1 manifold, Miltek SP back box.

Recorded 160 bhp at the wheels at Southern Carbs RR
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Looks very optimistic to me. However if this is the real figure, we know what to do with an MGF VVC, K&N 57i, 52 TB, 4 2 1 manifold, Phoenix as it is currently pulling 160 at the flywheel.
Erik

No, 163 at the flywheel ;-)

Hopely it's going to be a little bit more with the FPR installed. fingers crossed !
Bruno

Fancy a trip to Norfolk Bruno? ;o) Impressive performance though - look forward to hearing what result you get after having the FPR fitted and adjusted :o)
Rob Bell

Do not forget to post your details here once you are back. I am very interested to see especially how much the 4-2-1 manifold adds. My current setup is VVC+phoenix exhaust+52 alloy tb+k&n 57i. I might be interested in adding the manifold on top of this setup.
Yigit

@Rob, I think it's better to go to the dyno, where I'm always going to, so I can see what advantage I'm having with my FPR ( http://dennis.core-lan.nl/mgf/albums/Bruno-s-VVC/DSCF0214.sized.jpg ) (on 3.2 bar now). Anyway, looking forward to come over again with the F on one big UK MG event. Silverstone 2006 maybe?

@Yigit, hey, thats my setup !
I' m having just the 4-2-1 and the FPR more. I keep you informed, when I've visited the dyno. Anyway, I think the manifold is just giving a little bit more tork or drivebility (how to spell these words)
Bruno

Bruno that means we are sharing the same pleasure ;) I have heard the manifold slightly improves the torque all over the range and makes the exhaust note louder-which i can live with very happily. It would be very nice to see your comments and the dyno results with the manifold istalled. Which manifold will you be buying janspeed,piper, mgf centre or?
Yigit

Yigit, I 've allready installed the 4-2-1 from Janspeed.
Because of the only 3hp advantage with Phoenix and 4-2-1, I've now installed the FPR (Fuel mix was to low), and now I'm going back to the dyno, but my story is a little bit OT. Sorry for that
Bruno

Oh i see, awaiting your dyno results then after fpr.
Yigit

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