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MG MGF Technical - Sorry... Yet another K & N Thread

Lads, Im a newbie to the darkside so I got a couple of questions...

1. What does the K&N actually do besides making the engine sound good. How much extra BHP does it give you?
Mines a 1.8i

2. Where can I get one from???? And how much are they?
Does Mike Satur sell them

Many Thanks

Carl
P1 KLF
Carl Fairhurst

I can help with one thing - on a MPI the BHP is about 5 more than normal, sounds great!
You can try your local car store, they should stock them I would imagine. As for price I have no idea - I think they are around 30 odd pounds...probably well off target there....sure someone can help.
Wez

try about 80-90
Yes some car shops sell them- I have even seen an K&N 57i kit (the one you want) for sale in Halfords (in Birmingham)

Will
Will Munns

er it's 8bhp on a 1.8 and 15 on a VVC.

Try the following link for sourcing. The price is around 100 notes with P&P.

http://www.filterpower.com/

Cheers

Patrick
Patrick

Wez, if you can get an MGF K&N for 30, buy 100, and make your fortune!!
They are normally just short of 100 for the induction kit, including cone filter, connection pipes, induction pipes and jubilee clips. You can fit it yourself, but I was lazy and got Syd Brown & Sons of Longridge to fit mine. In fact, I bought mine from them, that way I knew my warranty wouldn't be affected. They are 1/2 hour from Adlington and are really good for MG stuff.
I'd be tempted to get them to do it, as they only charge about 25 for fitting (may have been less). They do loads of darkside mods, like exhausts, big brakes, alloys, adjustable shocks etc. It also means you don't have to drive all the way to Barnsley to get Mike to do it! (Sorry Mike if I'm detracting business ;o) )
Wez is right, you'll get about 5BHP more from your 1.8mpi, but you'll also get better throttle response, and an amazing sound, which you have to hear to believe!
Go for it Carl, and get it fitted in time for NMGO2!! Otherwise, if you want to wait until then, I'll take you out for a run in my Trophy, and you can hear it for yourself!
Cheers
Paul
PK51VDL - Yellow Trophy
Paul

Oh well I was well off.....nevermind. :-(

Sorry mate.
Wez

Sorry, 8bhp from a 1.8mpi is right!
Cheers
Paul
Paul

Anyway you must get, if its your first thing to buy on the darkside then its an excellent choise money well spent, cheers Dave T6 DCM.
david morris

DIY is very easy and can be done easy in an hour without being super mechanic. I did it so it must be simple.

The cheapest place I know of is Kinnor at http://www.filterpower.com/ they used to do an MG owners discount as well, not sure about now though.
Tony Smith

Lads, many thanks for all your comments.

Paul, I think I may have to give Syd Brown a ring and see if they can do it before NMGO#2 so hopefully I will have a K&N and one of MS's new windstops... And probably a disgruntled wife (she wants the bedroom decorating..)

Carl
P1 KLF
Taking a walk on the darkside
Carl Fairhurst

I'd personaly save your money for an ITG.
They're so much better - you wouldn't believe it!
Kingsley

This sound people keep talking about........does it make it grunt more? Can it really make such a difference. In that case does anyone know anywhere round Bucks that could fit and supply one?
Neil

From what I hear the ITG system is the best, so if you want the best, save up.

In the mean time get a K&N.....:-)
Tony Smith

Neil

You can order them on the WWW at the Kinor web site and fitting them is a job that any one can do - the 'kit' comes complete with instructions and every thing you need - except Elastoplast for the grazed knuckles.

Ted
Ted Newman

You're a brave man if you get the ITG. If you think your wife will be mad that you spent the money for decorating the bedroom on a K&N.....you could decorate the whole house for the price of the ITG!
Paul

Neil, Bucks.

I have one fitted, if you want to hear it & could help you fit one if you want. I put mine on and took it off a number of times when I still had a warranty :-)

B&G also do them mail/web order from what I remember.

Neil
Neil

Paul, regarding the decorating, unluckily shes got expensive taste so I will have to plead just for the K & N, god knows what I'd have to do to get an ITG

Oh Well!

Carl
P1 KLF
Hopefully gonna take a walk on the dark side

P.S. Thanks for all your input lads
Carl Fairhurst

Hmmmm.

15bhp on a VVC? I thought you needed a cold-air induction kit and a trophy TB to get those sorts of gains?

Mike does a kit (Piper X) or an alternative is the Hurricane, however I've not heard much about it since Gaz had it fitted. He kindly uploaded some pics to :

http://uk.geocities.com/gvrawlins/

Kit was from

http://www.tuningconcept.nl/

I also seem to recall Mike mentioning he was going to try and get some RR figures for the VVC with the PX Viper, but don't know if he managed to get that done.

Plenty of choice there though, as well as the K&N!

I'm scared of how much my insurance will go up by if I fit one!

Leigh
Leigh

The figures for the K&N are based on an a proper rolling road trial, independently undertaken. The newer entrants merely tell us theirs are better.

Call me an old cynic but if this is the case why do they not publish the results of tests to prove their point?

I don't buy the thought that because it is more expensive it must be better.

Cheers

Patrick
Patrick

Ive had a quote off Syd Browns for supply and fitting of K&N inc vat = 136.27

Do you all think this is OK?

All I need to do now is see how much my Insurance will change and be nice to the wifey for a couple of days.

Carl
P1 KLF

"Getting lost and confused on the darkside!"
Carl Fairhurst

Sounds very fair to me for 'supply and fit'

Ted
Ted Newman

K&N 57i is 89.99 inc VAT + p&p from Brown & Gammons, and 84.99 from Kinnor. Assume 5 for p&p, and that would make the fitting of the kit 41.28, or 46.28 using your quote.

Now a novice having never opened the F's engine bay before, and with no special tools can fit the K&N in about an hour. On that basis, the quote seems a bit high, especially as hourly rates in your part of the country are almost certainly lower than London. Add the fact that the garage would probably get a trade price for the K&N, and fitting is almost certainly more than above.

The first job I did on the F included fitting a K&N. I wrote some scripts with photos on how to do this for the MGF FAQ, and I am happy to email them to you if you'd like to take a look. Alternatively there are good instructions on Rob Bells site www.mgf.4mg.com which are worth a read before deciding to pay the garage. It really is an easy job. Get a pipe bracket from Tom Randell (10 inc p&p) and the pipes will be safely and easily fitted as well.

Just think, you could earn some brownie points with her indoors and use the saving to pay for any insurance premium hike (my company charged nothing for fitting it) or towards taking her out to butter her up for allowing you to fit it. LOL.
David Mills

David and Carl

Whilst I agree with your sentiments David we must not forget that a garage/dealer is there to make a profit so 116.00 supply and fit (20+ is VAT) is reasonable for this job.

Personally I did mine myself so saved the fitting cost.

Ted
Ted Newman

David

Thanks for your input, I think Ill let the garage do it, because youve never seen my DIY, I think even the wife will tell me to let the garage do it!!! No seriously DIY has never been my strong point and I havent got very much paitience and at least with the garage I will have a guarantee on the fitting.

Many Thanks to everyone for there comments and Input.

Hopefully I will have it fitted for the NMGO meet on the 26th May 2002.

Carl
P1 KLF
Carl Fairhurst

Carl,

I'm sure you wont be dissapointed. As my F goes on Saturday (replcing with a TF), I had to take the K&N off last week. Really miss it. Still think the pipe bracket is worth it though.

Ted,

undersatnd and accept what you say about making a profit. But with an F there seems to be this "it's a least an hour guvnor. 1/2 hour to get into the engine, and 1/2 hour for the job. One of the prices you pay for cars with exotic engine placement" attitude from garages. In fact it takes less than 10 mins for a novice, so should be no trouble for a garage. The old fixed price for a job is very expensive for small items. It's that which I was questioning, allied with the fact that it really is an easy job if you are marginally DIY competent.
But your right, it's not unreasonable for peace of mind.
David Mills

For our independent filter tests, see http://www.mgf.ultimatemg.com/filter.htm

At the time of testing, the likes of the Hurricane and the ITG kits were but a sparkle in their originator's eye - but we DO plan to test these new commers on a RR and perhaps on a circuit too, given that the RR tests can have limitations especially where airflow is concerned.

If you want to construct an airbox for your K&N then there is some info on the main site about this... :o)
Rob Bell

This thread was discussed between 13/05/2002 and 17/05/2002

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