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MG MGF Technical - TF Single Shot Drivers Window
|Ok I know that MG have been round the car in recent months removing anything they think will cut costs, but does this also include the drivers single shot window or is the case for all TFs?|
|Coo - you mean to say that the TF has a single shot window? The F certainly did not.|
PS I am a member again:-)
|My previous F and my Nov 2001 F both have one shot windows.|
|MY 98 F does not have one but I think the later Fs (after the the MY2000 interior changes) have them. I don't know about the TF.|
|It was one of the options I was looking forward to (very sad I know) as I have to show my pass to get into the car park, but when I went to try it yesterday (1st day at work with new car) nothing happened.|
|Yes it was available in MY2000 cars, just found part of the introduction to the product changes:|
"Key product changes
2000MY is the first significant change to MG F since it was launched in 1995. The changes are
composed of two main elements, interior styling and the introduction of the Em-CVT gearbox.
The interior changes strengthen the appeal and set it apart from its competitors. The steptronic
transmission is a first for this sector which offers not only a fully automatic capability but a six
speed manual function controlled by buttons mounted on the steering wheel or by moving the gear
lever forwards or backwards (up/down).
The 2000MY MG F has five key product changes. These are:
The introduction of the steptronic gear box, including the formula 1 style steering wheel
controls and a six speed manual mode.
The introduction of a tilt adjustable steering wheel.
The introduction of 'one shot down' electric windows and electric adjustable door mirrors.
A revised interior with a 'jewelled' theme and Revised seat styles.
An increased range of options."
|The drivers window on my Nov 2001 Trophy 160 has one-shot lowering (just tap the "down" buttom for a fraction of a second) but the passenger window does not. I borrowed a 52-reg TF160 a couple of weeks ago whilst my car was at the dealer, and that also had the same one-shot lowering method.|
|My TF160 does have "one shot" facility, but the pressure required to activate is very light and rapid; if you don't get your finger off the button almost immediately then the mechanism reverts to standard mode|
|On any other cars that I've owned you need to hold the button down for a few seconds to get the "one-shot" function to work. On my 2001 F you just need to slightly touch it for this to work. This can be a bit annoying if you are getting something out of the recess behind the gearlever (I keep my mobile phone here)and brush against the button - unwanted open window. I much prefer the method used by other manufacturers.|
|A two stage switch would be the best option really. And yes I have it on my TF as well - did not have it on my '98 VVC though. What really bugs me though is not having the feature on both windows!|
I guess that it must be possible to make this work
on both windows. Would be a nice to have feature.
LHD cars will also have this feature....probably
needs one of the electro-wizz kids out there to
find out which wires need to be connected !?
Or is is a case of one window only right or left side ?
|Nope, easy add on special relay. Each side needs one of.|
Though I wonder how much they charge for the relay as spare.
Location should be IMO under the dash in height of the cross member bar. Behind the side carpet of course.
I only got mine working by mistake, knocked the button with my mobile when put it in the hold in front of the gear stick.
It is suppose to go up in one shot as well?
PS yes would be better if both windows worked.
Only works going down. nice to see that I'm not the only one that bumps it when reaching for my phone.
|One shot 'UP' is not pc since a kiddy killed itself by sticking its head out of the window and hitting the 'one shot' button.|
|Hmmm true, would not help to get trapped, either, when trying to put your parking pass into the machine at the barrier and get stuck in your own window. Especially since you cannot open it from the door handle.|
|Most car makers have "one-shot" down and up combined with self-stopping windows ("anti-pinch"? read that term somwhere). That of course makes the one-shot up operation harmless.|
I would like to add the feature to the passenger side window, and I'm sure it's very easy. Dieter, next time you dismantle your F closely, would you be so kind as to check where that relay is and let us know ? :-)
I wonder if the B*W, Mini et al. system of the frameless window slightly moving down when opening or closing the door, and moving up again when the door is closed, to allow perfect sealing of the window and easy opening, is something you could install on the F?
Surely it's also a relay-related system, though more complex than the one-shot down one. I wonder if anybody has studied the question ?
|Now that is something I would like on the F|
"system of the frameless window slightly moving down when opening or closing the door, and moving up again when the door is closed, to allow perfect sealing of the window and easy opening, is something you could install on the F?"
Good question I hope someone has an answer.
|>someone has an answer.|
Yep, gets official introduced in 2004.
|Althought the idea of the window moving down for the door to open is good, believe me that when it goes wrong it is hopeless and allows water into the car. My wife's gtv has had to have both window motors replaced at £200 each so keeping the cheaper MGR items is a good idea. Also getting into the car in the frost when the window doesn't move is difficult. As for the one shot up and down, I have to say that the F and now TF is hopeless. The ageing Cavalier I traded in for F had one shot up and down all round and if something was in the way the window would not only stop but move back down. You could even close all the windows from the outside when locking it. As I recall the Carlton my father had in the 80's had the same electronics so MGR are way behind in this area. |
|>>Yep, gets official introduced in 2004.<<|
Hmm, that sounds interesting, thanks mystery interloper!
Do we know what will be involved in this upgrade, and can it be applied to earlier cars?
|>when it goes wrong it is hopeless and allows water into the car<|
Of course it's another thing that can go wrong. But if it's well designed and well built there's no reason why it should.
>Also getting into the car in the frost when the window doesn't move is difficult<
We had no problems this winter on my wife's Mini, despite it being always kept outside in sub-zero temperatures while my MGF was kept nice and snug in the garage. (I used to help her scrape it in the mornings though :-) )
Of course the lifespan of the the whole mechanism is shorter, because it is used every time you open or close the door, in addition to the times when you open the window.
>>As for the one shot up and down, I have to say that the F and now TF is hopeless<<
I have discovered an added refinement on my 2001 VVC: the plastic switch is so cheap that it actually "sticks" in the "up" position if I press it too hard... causing heaven knows what damage to the motor/mechanism and draining power from the battery. Good thing I noticed it. I suppose oiling the switch (!!) would cure it.
|>I have discovered an added refinement on my 2001 VVC<|
TBQH the 1996-1995 switches felt less cheap and didn't stick.
|>I have discovered an added refinement on my 2001 VVC<|
TBQH the 1996-1999 switches felt less cheap and didn't stick.
|>> TBQH the 1996-1999 switches felt less cheap and didn't stick. <<|
Had the same switches in my 1986 MG Montego... :-)
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