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MG TD TF 1500 - Abingdon Hootersville North ~ Anex

Gordon,
Like I said not much to look at so far ...but Abingdon Hootersville North Anex is getting there.
Izzy will have a new home for the winter.
Just a footer and some block. Materials should be here Wendsday. Hope is to get it under roof before the weather goes bad. Not sure what's up with the date on my camera ...has a mind of it's own, this was today.
David

David Sheward

Could it be a Triumph camera? Just not up to date.
Sandy
SANDY SANDERS

Indoor golf... cool.
LED DOWNEY

And swimming...rained last night.
Somebody took out one of our trees.....suspect it was a "Tiger".
David Sheward

David
In the background..... is that the MG security system/burglar alarm? John
John Hambleton

John,
Yep "co-piolet" / "gard-dawg"'s pup-tent.
"Sunny" loves riding in the TF with the windscreen down! He is very confused right now ...but think he will like his new dog house.
David Sheward

Going up ...rainning all day but these guy's are having at it.

David Sheward

Wow...amazing how quickly stud walls go up...looking great....
gblawson

Hi David,

Hope it's finished before any bad weather. Out of interest do you need any type of Council/Local Authority permission for such a building?

I've worked as a professional planner for many Councils in the UK dealing with planning permissions/permits etc - just wondered!

Cheers,John
J C Mitchell

Hey Dave. When I flew the bush in Alaska, there were numerous remote sites, both temporary and permanent, where no waste systems were available. The toilet of choice was the now defunct "Destroilet." Propane fired, works like a champ. A web search yielded an EPA document which mentioned this company. Check out their site. Maybe a used one is in budget if a new new one is out of range.

http://www.incinolet.com/

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Looking good Dave. Get that roof on before the snow flies. How soon before ya got the beer fridge in?
LED DOWNEY

Had one of the "Destroilet" toilets in my ski cabin for several years. Also had a lot fun with unsuspecting users. Our friends still talk about it on occassion, and we all have a good laugh. It did the job and provided a lot of entertainment.

George Raham
G. L. Raham

Amish builders are amazing ...3 guys did this in a day in the rain.
Time line:
8:00am unload 40' flatbed full of materials.
9:00am told me we are going to be sort about 20/30 2X4's (my fault ...duhh frame in for windows & doors)
9:45am I get back with 50 more 2x4's ..they had 3 left and framing for sidewall done.
11:00am Rainning so hard wife talked them into comming in for some brunch.
12:00 noon back to work
2:00pm rainning cat's and dogs again...talked them into stopping for an hour to let it die down.
3:00pm Three Amish guys back at it in my cloths and wearing ESPN / CBS / Hard Rock Las Vegas ball caps back at it.
4:00pm Packed up and ready to leave.
4:300pm 2 12 packs of beer consumed and they hit the road for home. (They have a driver...he wasn't drinking!)
They did all this in that time and said they felt bad...if my trusses would have been here said they would have had them up.


David Sheward

John : Just an overpriced building permit. ($500).
Larry Nucular toilet ...cool!
Lavern : Beer allready in the fridge (or was) it'll get moved in soon as first ac plug functional!
Trusses got here yesterday (late)...they will be back Monday to continue.
"Sunny" checking size on his new dog house!

David Sheward

John:
Hootersville building inspector checking out footers & block for "code":

David Sheward

Fridge for garage?....I could have that wrong ...maybe I get theother one! LOL

David Sheward

Looking great.... and what a wife to let you have that 'little' fridge.....
gblawson

Going to miss my old plumbing set-up...maybe not.

David Sheward

Yesterday about 3:00pm

David Sheward

Today about 3:00pm...camera knows what day it is again!

David Sheward

David, when do your builders sleep? I think you have them working 24/7. You are the envy of all us BBS readers!!!!!!!
Jim Merz

OMG...that is so great and big, and did I say great?
gblawson

What kind of interior floor are you going to have? Right now it appears to be dirt??
Gene Gillam

These 4 guys are nothing short of amazing. Nicest young Amish gentlemen I have ever met. Yesterday they looked at materials and said we would be short a few 2X6. I was gone less than 40min's and when I got back they had burned through all 29 trusses. Material supplier dropped the ball on delivery for siding & shingles...so I went and got them. These guys standing around waiting for that yesterday.
The hardest part has been to get them to stop to come in for some hot food. I'll get another shot in the am...they were still working into sunset.
We'll get put to the test ...weather forcast for 50MPH winds tonight & tomorrow. Told them we will play it by ear for tomorrow, doesn't make sence to me to be on the roof and ladders in that kind of wind. I'd feel really bad if one of these guys got hurt.
I've waited 18 years for this, another day won't kill me.
David Sheward

Gene, We are kind of at the mercy of the weather here so my contractor wanted to get it under roof ASAP. Plan is we can heat it up with some kerosine bullet heaters and work indoors with his small bobcat. They cheated me up some so I'll have 11' ceiling. 4" concrette on all except where I hope to put in a 2 post lift...that pad will be 8". 7/8" tubing for 2 zone radiant heat fired from my old water heater. Hope to go solar at later date so were planning for that in the design.
David Sheward

Dave, thanks for the explanation...I never have seen it done that way before. Down here in Mississippi the only time the weather would be bad enough to not do the floor first would be during a hurricane...and then we wouldn't be putting up the walls/roof either...grin.
Gene Gillam

I love the doorposts, they are kind of octogone shape!Greetings, Huib
Huib Bruijstens

Gene,
Kind of strange to me as well...would have made life much easier on those poor guys not having to carry all that 5/8" osb over those piles of mud in the rain. Contractor is flat-rate on cost so it was his call. Should find out by noon how well the hurricane straps hold up! They say we may get 60MPH winds now. Maybe I should open my skylights!
Huib, I actually thought about doing the small door as an octogone for Izzy, even drew it up that way once or twice...but decided to go a bit more suttle. Still might put a small one in between the doors next summer....have to make sure it won't be blocked the fridge. LOL Definetly "M.G." inspired though.
Bigest proplem now is the garage looks so good it make the house look like crap...wife want the house re-sided now.
David Sheward

David.
Certainly looks good. I bet that you can't wait to drive in the first MG.
FYI. HONEY DO projects are never done they just seem to appear relative to the number of MG projects planned.
Been there and done that.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
SANDY SANDERS
HUDSON fl.
SANDY SANDERS

In keeping with the Abingdon tradition (EX 181 was wind tunnel tested), Abingdon Hootersville North Anex stands ready for her test this afternoon.
Scarry looking skys.
Wonder if that box of hurricane straps were spares...guess I'll find out soon!

David Sheward

Far too windy to work on roof or siding ...had a foo-pa on roofing nail order so have lot's of spares.
This should look good on the ceiling.
Whada you think?

David Sheward

That painting looks more then great.... an interesting 'self portrait'???

We do the floor thing up here as well... usually just gravel then when the walls are up the truck comes and pores the floor...not sure why?
gblawson

Surely that artwork isn't made of roofing nails, is it? If so, who is the talented one?
Gene Gillam

A friend of mine emailed that to me. (Right after my Amish guys told me there was a mistake on materials and we had way too many roofing nails) talk about timming!
Not sure who the artist is but, yes, made entirely with nails. (that's what is in those buckets) My guys were knocked out by it , as was I. Showed it to them at lunch and told them "this is what we can do with the extra nails"
There is a website credit on the pic...but I haven't been able to find it in english or translate it. I can send you a forward of the email if you like with several pic's of him macking it. It's Lenardo Divinchis's "GOD". He pounds the nails at different heights to get the "depth"...simply amazing!

David Sheward

David, what is the meaning of "Amish"
Huib
Huib Bruijstens

David.
Those Amish workers show what can be done if one gets the lead out and on with the job. It's a pity that more American workers do not follow their work ethics.
Was your TAJ-MAHAL erected by hand hammers or were nail guns used?
Sandy
SANDY SANDERS

Huib,
The Amish were imagriants to the US I believe from Germany. They lead a very simple life here in their own comunities ...no electricty, still drive horse driven buggies, run their own schools and grow their own food. They are very well known for a strong work ethic and excellent carpentry skills. Asimple life that I very much envey.

The foo-pa on the nails was due to materials being ordered by one group and the work being done by another. My materials guy's builders use all hand tools. My builders use a gas driven compressor and air tools but no elelectric. Been kind of interesting...never saw a air driven chop saw before and they have gas powered 2-stroke radial saws. Roofers using air tools so we had to get different nails for those.

Yesterday we had winds gusting to 65MPH (blew me and the dog off our feet and 20' across the yard uphill..wish I had a picture of "Sunnys" face...funny as hell)

Temps won't get over 20 dregrees today so we have decided to hold off till it warm's back up a bit. Fear is trimming vinyl siding today it will crack and I have snow so finishing roof not a good idea.

My builders are 60 miles one way from home and they drove up here this morning just to see how things held up from the winds. Have a few shingles and a piece of siding that I think were headded for UK when last seen...if anybody finds them mail back to me! LOL
David Sheward

OBTW:
The one guy (Lavern) is a blacksh*th...took them over to the old garage and showed them the TF. They were really intrested when I told them how the car was hand made and peeled some trim back so they could see the ash wood on the tub. Vernon has an old Farmall tractor and was really into my little motor. I think they are going to come back for a ride (and drink some beers) in the spring. They also invited us to come down to their community to stock up on produce and such. (The bacon & cheeze is to die for!) Allready planning on a road trip down there in the M.G.
I have made some great friends doing this project.
Sure has made the wait worth it.
David Sheward

David,
I share your admiration of the Amish culture. We have a large community in North Central Ohio. When arriving in Wooster in 1982 one of the first family's welcoming us was the Spectors who operate the only retail outlet in the area directed exclusively to Amish....fabrics, threads, oil lights and treddle sewing machines. Interesting that Albert is a fine Jewish gentleman who started trading from a push cart in the area years ago. He not only operates this most successful store but owns the OWL which is the only newspaper directed only to the Amish community. As you might imagine Spector's is the major advertiser in the paper.
The work ethic of these people, as you have described, is remarkable. Historically they have been deprived financially but that is changing rapidly. Recently the Amish have banded together to develop a marketing program for their products. This has been very effective. I've served on the Wayne County airport using airport transfers sevenoaks Authority and have seen the growth of jets flying into the airport transporting people to purchase and promote Amish products. It's becoming a dynamic business.
Still we are saddened by the continuing rear-ending of Amish buggies by F150's on our county roads resulting in the death of Amish people, kids and horses.
With warm regards,
Dick Thomas
Wooster, Ohio


Dick Thomas

"..took them over to the old garage and showed them the TF. They were really interested when I told them how the car was hand made and peeled some trim back so they could see the ash wood on the tub."

I'd bet they could restore a body tub, with new wood, in nothing flat, and the door fit would be perfect :-)

Congrats on the new garage/shop David.

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Siding & shinles all on now. Didn't get pic last night as was getting dark when they finished and took the guys out for dinner (they never stopped for lunch because they wanted to get it done). Used bullet heaters to get warm enough to cut siding & singles. It never got above 20 degrees. Hoping for a couple days in the 40's so we can start on drains, water-lines, radiant heating, getting doors hung, and concrete floor.
This crew is the best!
David Sheward

Larry,
I think these guys could build a "T" in a couple of hours!
Looks like the weather will hold should be doing drains,water & gas lines, and start laying out the tubing for heat next week.

David Sheward

The back side:

David Sheward

Very nice!
Gene Gillam

....and come spring......

gblawson

Gordon,
Been expecting that one! ...but thought for sure there would be a little checker-board grill peeking out the "M.G." door. Thanks for cleaning up the yard.
Your not far off...guy down the street sells old gas & air pumps...that is what I left the space between the garage doors for.
David Sheward

Very nice Dave. I'm a little suprised that Amish drink beer?
LED DOWNEY

La Vern,
I was too...called my contractor before I offered it as I did not want to offend.
David Sheward

Well it's not an MG...but something parked in there today!

David Sheward

80 tons of gravel went in today...drains & insulation, & plex for the heat tomorrow.

David Sheward

Really, really nice. Unbelievalbe how fast going up. Of course if building in your area is as slow as it is here they may have nothing else to do! George
George Butz

"Plex" for heat ??? something new ? or Pex tubing ??

SPW
Steve Wincze

Oops PEX tubing for radiant floor heat.
Went with this ...open direct system.
http://www.radiantec.com/index.php
David Sheward

Floor drains, water, gas, & 4" pvc "spare" lines all run. (Running a 4" pvc to house basement for telco / cable, RJ45, and ? to machine room) P2000 floor insulation, 4 mil pastic & "fence" for radiant heat tie downs done.

David Sheward

Plex tubing for radiant heat in and presure tested.
(still being layed out in this shot).
I am just still amazed by the amout of work 3 guys get done in a day.
Guess I should give my contractor a plug...he might be reading this! LOL
FreeMore Construction is fantastic....Freeman does all the work....we think Moore spends most of the day in a hot-tub with a beer and a deer rifle!
(Just kidding Jason)

David Sheward

Small "air-gap" between meter box an electric service pole.
AEP called @9am and said they were on the way...never showed up.
My "project boss" was not amused. Had to run a temp line to power his satalite TV for the evening. Going to wait till Friday for concreete now. Going to put bullet heaters in each corner and forcast for near 40 so should be nice & toasty for the pour.

David Sheward

David...can't believe how quickly this is going up... we had an addition added to the house once that went like this... all in a month and a half... just amazing what a couple few guys can do...(way better work ethic then I)?

gblawson

Jim drooped by about 8:30 this morning...don't think his truck will fit!

David Sheward

truck # 1 empty ....and about a third of the way there.

David Sheward

Truck # 3 about 1/2 way.
Didn't get a lot of pics after this today. Learned Triumph not only make camera's ...but also power trowels. 48" Rental trowel would not start. I was scrabnling to rent one before concrete cured. Got a 32" rental. Then did some repairs on the big one. Bad plug, Bad wiring, Oil in float bowel. Definitly not an M.G....nobody has ever had these problems with an M.G. LOL Dave (concrete boss) was happy to have the big one back, said it does a much smoother job. Worked into darkness getting thing secured and heater fueled up. Forcast is for rain & snow so hopping we keep warm & dry so it doesn't crack.

David Sheward

Dave.
Starting to look real fantastic. Could have put color in the top layer of concrete.
What is that in the far corner? It is nailed to something on the wall corner.
Sandy
SANDY SANDERS

I've been looking for that truck for weeks. Please send it back.

Merry X-Mas,
Jim
James Neel

Sandy,
Kerosene Bullet heaters on temp shelfs across corners.
(You can see the glow on the pic before last.) Temprature here did not get up to forcasted 42 today, so we are running these to help the cure. Just came in from filling them for the evening. I fly out in the am to Iowa ...so guess I will find out how well it worked when I get back Monday. Think they will do "cuts" and hang doors while I'm gone.
David Sheward

What is the record for number of comments directed to one thread? This represents number 64 for David's wonderous construction project. Seems like a lot to me but what do I know?
Dick Thomas
Dick Thomas

Looks like this might set the record as he just has the floor down and there is so much more to see.... Can't wait to see what he puts on the walls....
gblawson

Got a little wet ...but so far no cracks!
Garage doors go on tomorrow.
Contractor says we will wait a few days to "cut" and seal/paint the floor. I was going to do the seal...but think I'll let them do it.
Brutal travel back from Ceadar Rapids yesterday 16 hours in airports ...could have driven it in 8.
Still "air-gap" between pole and ele panel ...wonder how AEP would feel if I paid my bill like they show up?
Get the doors on and I can heat her up and start running conduit.
Still debating on insulation and wall treatment.
Any suguestions?
Waitng on a bid to do walls & roof with the P2000 I used under the concrete or maybe foam after 7/16 OSB on walls & roof.
As an OBTW : Was going to use "Double Bubble" under concrete but learned some interesting info on how they caculate "R" value on that for their ads. Aperantly it "assumes" a 2" air gap to arrive at their figures. Anybody considering this in a floor let me know and I'll send you a copy of FTC paper I found.
Izzy is dying to get in their and do some "brodies"!


David Sheward

My tip, for what it's worth. Consider using 3/4" ply instead of drywall on at least some of the walls. That way you can install tool hangers, shelves, etc. wherever you want them instead of relying on finding studs.
You might also consider something other than drywall for the bottom half of the walls so you can just hose it off when it gets dirty. My garage is insulated but I have to be very careful hosing the floor because the drywall walls get wet on the bottom and it wicks up.
I also have floor drains installed that go down to a french drain system surrounding the garage ("weeping tiles" I think they call it in Canada?). I do not have floor heat however - they wanted way too much for my wallet back then. Let us know how it works out!

Enjoy the pics. Keep 'em coming.
Ed
efh Ed

Brodies LOL you're aging yourself with that one. Todays world says "doughnuts".

What happened to the indoor golf?

Beer fridge in yet?
LED DOWNEY

Good point about hosing off the floor... perhaps you can have your floor guys put the coating up the concrete foundation wall and then join your wall to it.....
I would tend to do plywood, luan, or something other then wall board... I tend to keep gyprock out of basements and outdoor buildings....

Remember, whatever you cover the walls with, and whether you paint or not... within a couple of years your walls will be covered with 'stuff'.....
gblawson


Ed & Gordon,
Drywall is definetly out...kind of like building an oil tanker out of cardboard far as I'm concerned!
For sure sealing "up" the block and not going to "floor" for the walls. I left about a 3" "lip" to studs all the way around and about 1/2 a block to do that.
Have some 5/8" OSB left over from exterior walls.
Was planning on that for some of my walls, (where I will be hanging things) and going with 7/16' OSB for the rest and ceiling ...(about 1/2 the cost of the 5/8").
LaVern ...indoor golf will be back once we open up the drains (3~4", in floor & 1~2" ..in machine room. A par 7.5 corse.
The beer is in the Fridge (not fully stocked) but still no electric to plug it in garage so keeping it in my office for now!
Cheers,
David

David Sheward

OSB is a main stay in construction around here but I'm not a fan. I prefer plywood any day of the week but to each their own.

I don't want you to be packing all that stuff from the fridge out to the new "Dave Castle" ( I like that... located in Sheward Forrest.. thats the ticket) what with you missing the limb and all. You could slip on some ice or the dog could knock you over. I don't want to see you get hurt so let me know when your ready for the move and I'll come buy and drin..err take care of the beer for you. Nice selection by the way

2" drain? new home of the Europeenan ?

Got a beer cart?
LED DOWNEY

I always felt that way also...ply over OSB, but what I was reading up on before all this seemed that OSB 1 is more impervious to swelling / warping than ply. Hopefully I'll be dead before I find out. (If I don't get this mess cleaned up soon, that could be any day now! Still have open 5' deep trench out the back door to garage)
Yep, the 2" is 4 the new "Ur-a-peein".
Open invite to any on this board to help "move beer"!
Worried about selection....my OSH supplier closed down and haven't found another near here. May have to move AHNA to new location! Maybe I shouldn't have changed the rear gears in the TF ....may need that low 1st back to drag this puppy down the road.
(Dick...the garage, not "Sunny")
David Sheward

David, nice looking garage. For the walls in my garage I used the slotted board (slot board, garage board, slatwall) and have been pleased. Designed for hanging things on the wall, easy to install, looks good. I used white prefinished. As in all things, there are several different grades. I would avoid that made from particle board. You might put it up on one wall as a storage area.

Larry Brown

Partical board is great...as long as it doesn't get wet...rots really well...
My shed is all partical board (I'm cheap) and I'm being careful to keep it painted and the leaaves away from the base.....

gblawson

Doors are on...still have to do trim around them ...but getting there.

David Sheward

Dave...
What size is your taj-mahal.. I estimate it to be 35x57'
Sandy
SANDY SANDERS

Real close Sandy...30X56X11.6'
Thought we were only going to be 10' or I would have gone to 8' doors instead of 7'. It got cheated up a bit...better for a lift so fine with me. Better pic with trim on and some of the crap moved.

David Sheward

David,
How are the neighbors handling all of this?
Dick Thomas
Dick Thomas

Dick,
No complaints ...actually believe my contractor has picked up a few jobs from neighbors. Several have stoped to inquire who was doing the work. I'm sure a few are relived...place will look less like a used car lot now with some of them inside! Not as bad now (since children moved out) but people used to stop and ask if we were a car lot. That happens when you have 9+ cars lined up in the driveway. :-) LOL
Yesterday has funny watching dawg trying to figure out who was opening & closing the doors and why they stopped when he walked through the doorway ...poor old country dawg never seen a electric door opener before...we were LOAO at him. Anybody know a good source for electric doggie door?...might have to spring for one of those for my travelling buddy!
David Sheward

"Dave...
"What size is your taj-mahal.. I estimate it to be 35x57' Sandy
"Real close Sandy...30X56X11.6'"

Based on the 80 tons of gravel I figured 25x55'. Wondeered how I managed to underestimate it?

Sounds fantastic!

warmly,
dave



Dave Braun

Dave... You must have made that calculation using the heavy rocks. not the light weight.
Sandy
SANDY SANDERS

Amazing how level a site "looks" till you put a lazer to it! Left side nearly flat...Right side rear corner was 3'+ that needed to be filled in. That is were a lot of it went. Still not as deep as the floor in our garden shed though. Somebody is in for the shock of their life on that one. (after I die) My shed is built on what used to be the base of an old 45' silo...it is over 6' concrete base. So far has been ample enough platform to park an 18HP garden tractor on!
David Sheward

Getting back at it today ....
Was out in Iowa & Il. working so didn't get much done over the Holidaze.
This will be fun, knocking a hole through the basement wall for gas, water lines, & "spare pvc" today. (my basement walls are 24" thick solid stone blocks) Also going to cut concrete today (keep from cracking).
AEP has still not showed up with 30' of wire from pole to "head" on breaker pannel....so I'm definetly still "Hootersville" ...running off a couple of extension cords.
More pictures to come ....soon as I figure out where the heck my camera is?
David Sheward

Yea..AEP showed up and I have electric.
Also have a cold so been hanging out in the house till I feel better. Not good weather to move all my supplies from across the street in the snow to start doing my conduit / electric. Bit the bullet ...2 post lift will be here Monday or Tuesday. Went with this one: http://www.gregsmithequipment.com/Atlas-BP9000-Base-Plate-Two-Post-Lift-p/atpk-bp9000.htm

After kicking it around (too much) think I am going with #3 metal for interior walls. My uncle did that in his and it's 10+ years old, still looks good. Rather spend my time working on the cars instead of painting walls. Over time think the cost will be a wash and much less hassle.
Now if I just shake this cold and get back to work.
David Sheward

Out of curiousity, why did you go with the Greg Smith hoist?

It would appear Complete Hydraulic has more hoist for less money. I got a 10k for about $1600. I saved about $100 by not taking the top bar and he also kicked 8 more pulleys for my project.
jrn Northrup

Being sick had a lot of time to look at several and felt GS/Atlas was a better built product. Actually was looking at the HR8000 (cheap price) but when I called phone was answered by none other than Greg Smith. Talked to him for nearly an hour. He talked me out of the HR (said he didn't feel I would be happy with it even after he offered a great deal). Called CH and felt like I was getting the old "bate & switch" ...didn't have the one I wanted in Indy and to ship it from Utah was real crazy $$. SL9 was going to run me $2300. Called Greg back and with shipping ran $1800. More than I wanted to spend but Greg really seemed sincere that I would be much happier given the varity of cars I own. I guess spending that much time talking to him and that he asked about the cars made a differance also. Quite a charater ...was pressing him for a free oil changer...he laughed and said he thought T series MG's were "self draining". Don't think I could have driven to Indy to pick it up for what he charged to ship it ($150). I'll let you know if it arrives with oil change station!
David Sheward

I wouldn't be surprised if all the Chinese hoists came from the same factory. For the same money, $1650 + $150 shipping, you would've gotten one from Complete RATED 10k, but my 8800lb box truck is too much for mine. The hoist carriages are in such a bind, the lock on one post won't hold, slamming the truck box against the post. Have to use 2 chain falls on the front and a 2 ton crane on the back. The arms bend to such a degree, the truck risers are on an ugly angle and slip on the frame!! Fortunately, I made my risers with channels so they can't slip sideways. There are times when I worry about other not so heavy vehicles (like my 7000 lb pickup) slipping off the rubber pads, especially when when the weight is really offbalance.

I'm sure you're anchoring yours into the floor. If you have any plans to shim or grout the baseplates or brace the tops to the walls, here's a consideration... I was so concerned about the sides going up as parallel as humanly possible, I tackwelded a steel channel to the 2 carriages and then raised it to the top. At first, I welded 6" x 3/8" flatstock braces at the top of mine out to building's steel columns. I wound up adding horizontal diagonal braces later to finally stabilize it. It was pulling the 6" anchors out of the concrete. If I didn't have structural steel to work with, I'd have had to excavate the floor and build very significant foundations for the columns.

I'm so spoiled now with my hoist! Should've gotten one a decade ago. Could've gotten single post hoists free years ago but the environmental people have put the fear of God in me.
jrn Northrup

There's a series, WRECKED, on SPEED CHANNEL that features the Ohare wrecker company in Chicago.

There was one episode where a Ford F350 cargo van on a hoist pulled the anchors out of the floor. Not pretty!

You can watch that episode:
http://www.fancast.com/tv/Wrecked/101334/1218020325/Jane-Runs-the-Show/videos
jrn Northrup

Greg said the same thing "all the Chinese hoists come from the same factory". I did remember reading about your having to use 2 chain falls on the front and a 2 ton crane on the back on your box truck from another thread. (Thanks for that! was definitly on my mind). GS has a video on you tube of a 10k failing and I DID see that "wrecked". All this was why I decided to go a bit more $ than planned. (was hoping to get one for about $1200). Talked to a few companies...Mr. Smith was the only one that asked what I was going to use the lift for / type of vehicles. Not a pushy guy at all...went over all the pro's & con's of each lift, made his recomedation, and then asked what I wanted to do. It felt a lot like the advise I have gotten from you and other members of this BBS over the years. Biggest thing I have is the Dakota pick-up and with 7' doors not going to get anything real big in AHNA. When I poured concrete we did a 8" pad where lift is going (rest is 4") so think I'll be ok. Time will tell if I made a good decesion. My main concern right now is if my concrete has cured enough or if I should wait to install. I have a ton of stuff that will go upstairs to store. My plan is to make a "door" in ceiling above the lift so I can use it as an elevator to get all that stuff up there. That is biggest reason for putting the lift in before I do walls & ceiling. Not looking forward to getting all those wheels out of the rafters in my rental garage (back still hurts from getting them up there last time!) After 40 years of crawling around on gravel this is going to be sooo sweet ...actually looking forward to cleaning underside of the TF's wings for once!
David Sheward

Normal cure time on the concrete for full strength is 30 days Dave. It will continue to get stronger over time.
LED DOWNEY

Dave, My nephew has the same lift I have in his shop he built a few months ago. Unlike me he uses it often reparing vehicles to supplement his income. Talked to his dad last week and he said he had a 3/4 ton pick up on it and it cracked the floor. Not good. You can be sure the first time I run my P/U up the lift I'll be watching real close. She probably weighs in about 6000 lbs. I might go by and see what damage his did and think about welding some floor bracing in.
LED DOWNEY

Dave,

After two weeks you should be able to install the lift, and use it to lift small loads (500 lbs or less) to the attic of Hooterville North ~ Anex. I would refrain from lifting a ton (i.e. the TF) for a full month.

warmly,
dave
Dave Braun

Dave Sherwood,

My issues, and other achorage problems, concerns very unbalanced loads. In my case, the boxtruck has a heavy liftgate on the back, and the fuel tank dictates where I have to lift. There's not much choice on where to pick it and I've got my way of dealing with it.

In your case, if you have a 2nd story, you might integrate that floor into stabilizing the top of the hoist posts so the concrete is not overstressed. A little restraint 9' up is worth a whole lot of relief for anchor bolts about 9" apart at the bottom.

Now the problem with my one post not locking under load is an engineering screwup. The response from Complete was that I'm not the first one to experience that problem and I could take the lock apart and weld the edge of the latch out farther.
jrn Northrup

Guess I'll find out very soon. Picked up my lift today and we are installing tomorrow. Backed the trailer in the garage and keeping the heaters on tonight so it will be warm in there for the install.
(don't have the radianet heat up & running yet.)
Will be 26 days since poured.
Point well taken about not getting in a hurry lifting a heavy load. I wanted to get lift in before doing the ceiling so I can put a trap door in there to the attic. Not a second "floor" just trusses up there, but should be able to get some good storage for stuff I'll never use ...but won't throw away! LOT'S of wheels and tyres, Izzy's orginal muffler and tail pipe, ect.
Hopefully have some new pictures tomorrow (found camera!) Feeling better so I'm back in go mode.


David Sheward

You know OSHA is not going to approve the use of your lift as an elevator?

I'm suprised they didn't put a "string" board across the bottom of the trusses.

You gonna box the skylights down to the shop or just leave them for the attic?

Get yer wiring done before you do your ceiling.


Damn, you got a lot of work to do. If you were close by I'd come and help ya pound nails ....or beers.....I forget.
LED DOWNEY

Doubt OSHA would aprove of 1 leggeged man on rickity wooden ladder with a wire wheel in each hand either. HAHA (been there done that)
String boards "above" ..so we could do flat ceiling.
Show better here.
Boxing the skylights for sure ...they make a remote for them and can also be controled with a thermastat.
(have priced that one yet)
Planning on vent fans in the attic ...later...maybe octagon ones.
Deninetly conduit next ...and my "machine room". Forcast for some days near 40 ...maybe I can find that pile of lumber under a tarp, under the snow, it's out there somewhere!
Got lot's of nails & beer ...plan on pounding bunches of both.



David Sheward

...another post for Hootersville...

using hoist to remove tub the easy way. 4 hooks in the photo from 2 chainfalls and 2 electric hoists, but 2 post lift is simple & quick.

Dave, where are you in Ohio? I'm in Ann Arbor area.
jrn Northrup

I'm in Thornville (30 miles east of Columbus).
Used to get up to AA all the time for work ...not so much anymore.
Don't think I'll have to remove the tub on the TF.
(been there done that) Used my friend 2 post for it.
Been waiting for him to come over and help me install mine. (he has done quite a few of them).
Was surprised how easy it has to unload and stand-up.
Actually did it by myself. Heavy ...but do-able with a little planning, improvision, shims and a floor jack. (OSHA would not have approved!)
David Sheward

Spent 4 years in Columbus- OSU Welding Engineering.
If you were around Toledo, I'd run down and drink your beer while watching you work.
Setting up an above-ground 2 post hoist sure beats the old single post in-ground style.
Have fun!
jrn Northrup

Have been following the thread, just wanted to be the 100th post. Nice garage David. Looking forward to seeing it complete with the cars in.
Larry Brown

We do need some updated photos...???
gblawson(gordon)

From the photo in your first post I'd have never imagined that your garage/workshop would be so big. I can only dream.

Gene
Gene Gillam

Ok, since the thread started mentioning lifts and non-OSHA activities here's some gut-busters pix from a hilarious Powerpoint about Why Women Live Longer Than Men that seem apropo. (I'm sure that title along will start the thread off into another realm altogether! :).)



R Biallas

Another

R Biallas

There's more but will stop uploading since thread is getting so long to load when show pix in html is on!
Randy


R Biallas

Have a look at http://www.ttalk.info/SafetyAwards%5B2%5D.pdf

or, http://www.ttalk.info/SafetyAwards[2].pdf Bud
Bud Krueger

Looks like some of my antics!
The "Saftey Police" dropped by today...busted!
OSHA definitly would not have approved of how I got that lift off the trailer by myself.
(still not installed ...buddy never showed up)
Got most of my free conduit run today.
Took pictures but my truck dissapeard with camera so post some tomorrow.
(I don't work as fast as the Amish guys!)


David Sheward

Hey Bud looks like the "Why Women Live Longer Than Men" I have is a subset of yours!! I'm sure we all could add a few, hopefully nowhere near as idiotic as some were!
R
R Biallas

Found the camera! Been a little crazy around here ...problems with new boiler in the house so AHNA has been somewhat put on the back burnner.
Had the trailer backed in with the lift on it. First time it really hit me how much room I have in here! 2 cars, my truck and a 22' trailer in there.

David Sheward

Have made some progress...lift is off the trailer...all my free conduit (in the corner) is installed, R-13 insulation on side walls is done now, and have started building my "machine room". If anybody is thinking about a lift...it is do-able got this off the trailer by myself. Wasn't fun and can still feel it in my back...but it is do-able!
Will try to get some fresh shots later today if I'm not out agin all day trying to track down my parts to fix the boiler in the house again.
My uncle loaned me his roll around 6' work platform ...that has really helped, much safer than a ladder.

David Sheward

Hey LaVerne...
You asked a while back if there will be "tunes"!
Oh yeah ...there will be tunes! This has been sitting on the shelf for a while waiting for a new home. Have a pair of "Big Reds", monitors from my old recording studio that will be going in there. Tri-amped, I think that will work. Right now have a funky little system out there to get me by. Gotta have tunes!

David Sheward

For now ...this is getting me by:
HA HA

David Sheward

Now were talkin... Thats pretty high end stuff.. excellent. I have an old 100 w Pioneer early generation 4 channel suround reciever with a couple of book shelf Cerwin Vega's in the work area and a couple of Out door Jensons in the far corner. Wife wants me to move the monster Cerwin Vega DB 9's out of the house and put the Bose cube surround stuff in that we got from her dad. I don't really have the floor space in the shop and I'm not sure the neighbors would appreciate "Gimme Shelter" being used as a dust removal tool in the shop.
LED DOWNEY

Forgot to ask, how many girls locker rooms are you tied into on that last picture? lol
LED DOWNEY

Is that the old (70's) Pioneer "Quad" system? That was good stuff...wish I still had my old one. DB9's are nice..I should be rocken...2300 on the lows, 2210 on mid's and a 2105 for the highs. Use old Mac tube amps and JBL's (4311/reworked for bi-amp)in the office. Cambridge surround in the living room.

Oh, and the answer to 2nd question is "264"! (but only 25 at a time!
David Sheward

David,

If you would or could YODEL, would you get an echo in that vault?

George Raham
G. L. Raham

Yodeled the other day and got an answer!
I ran a 4" pvc to the basment in the house (about 100' to run cable /phone ect lines).
Heard the wife down there so called to her. (re-co-la)..she answered "marko" .
My helper (the dawg) had his head stuck in the pipe trying to figue out what "mom" was doing in there.
Very funny! Makes a great intercom. Need to get a couple of those old whisles they used on ships back in the day!
David Sheward

Not to much going on in AHNA.
Too cold, my heat is not hooked up yet so still using kero bullet heaters when I'm in there. Mostly been dealing with the new boiler in the house. What a mess barley working and the contractor for that one (different from who built the garage) has dissapeared off the face of the earth with my water heater and other materials I paid for. Think I have been scammed. Old hot water heater for garage heat is still in service in the house. Have most of my wall insulation up and machine room nearly finished.

David Sheward

Sunny and I have a lot of electric to run.(lucky he has his nite vision eyes on)
We gotta get better tunes in here also ...this little system is nastie. And I need to do some clean-up!

David Sheward

Maggie has inferred vision.

LED DOWNEY

I am still at it ...need to get it gear and get my wirring done. my Amish guys are comming back next week to do the ceiling. Don't think I can handle 28' long pieces of metal going on the ceiling by my self,(maybe ...if I had a tractor???)
It's been cold out there... never got my radient heat hooked up. Long story/nightmare ...the guy doing the boiler & new hot water heatter in the house never ordered the new HWH so the old one never made it to garage. (Mom does not care for cold showers!) "Joe" turned out to be a scammer, took the money and ran.
Post some new pic's later?
David Sheward

Lift is in and ceiling done. # 3 white metal.
(Get some better pictures tomorrow)
Now I get to crawl up there and put my insulation in.
Did I mention I like doing insulation about as much as LaVern likes sanding?


David Sheward

Insulation?? I can do that. Did about 200 bags of cellulose in the house in October. One day job and your done. No complaints if you missed a spot and you get to keep your finger prints,


Whens the grand opening? Will there be beer?
LED DOWNEY

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