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MG TD TF 1500 - More oil filter ???? Early TD

I'm having to flush the water contamination out of my fresh motor from the porous Laystall issue. I have the new style Moss replacement element vertical oil canister installed. Is there a filter that I can use from the local parts store instead of the moss elements which I have to order? brand and Part #s? I also have a new spin on style adaptor from Bob Gruneau I picked up at GOFWEST but it didn't have a filter or instruction sheet with it. What spin on filter gets used with that set up? Since I'm going to have to do several run and flushes I would like to have something readily available

Regards

Bill Chasser jr
TD4834
W. A. Chasser Jr

I use a spin-on adapter with K&N HP-2009 filter. Works beautifully and has a handy 1" nut welded on bottom. Another advantage of the nut is that if the filter is painted, it takes on a fairly convincing period "canister" look.
Steve Simmons

Bill.

I swapped mine out for a spin on years back and still have the aluminum unit that has the replaceable filter. I have a new filter if you want to go that way.

I am going to catch hell from the group, but I run a Fram 43 on my spin on.
Bruce TD4139 Cunha

ALL the filter numbers you need are in the archives.

Tom Lange
MGT Repair
t lange

I have a FRAM PH3600 installed on my spin on adapter from Bob Grunau. I like it because it's a bit longer than some of the other acceptable filters, which means it's easier to spin off from below.

Believe it or not, here is the list of available filters that crossreference on the PH3600:

Replacement oil filters for Fram PH3600:
AC-Delco PF 56
AC-Delco PF56
AC-Delco PFL400A
AC-Delco PFL400ACL
AC-Delco PFL400AFCL
ALLIANCE ABP/N10G-LF3339
AMSOIL ASF34
AMSOIL EAO34
ATLAS F-18
AUTO VALUE 1-3600
AUTOEDGE AL3600
Autolite for Oil Filters AL3600
AUTOPAR FE215
AUTOPRO 2516
AUTOWIZE A16
AWARD AOF-195
Baldwin B243
Beck/Arnley 041-8095
BIG A 92516
BIG A 92762
BIG A 92764
BOLENS 277233
Bosch 3422
Bosch 72143
BRAVO B195
CAM2 C195
Canadian Tire 17-17881-8
CARCARE IOF3600
CARQUEST 84301
CARQUEST 85516
CARQUEST 85762
CARQUEST 85764
CARQUEST B195
CASITE CF213
CASTROL CAS3600
CATERPILLAR 3I-1174
CENEX CO4000
CHAMPION OF11
ChampLab PH253
ChampLab PH400
ChampLab PH8A
CHRYSLER 0471452AA
CHRYSLER 4781452AA
CHRYSLER 4781452BB
CITGO C195
CRUISEMASTER 223
DEFENSE DL3600
DELPHI FX1022
DELUXE WD-414
DEUTSCH D485
DITCH-WITCH 155-938
Donaldson P550400
Donaldson P554770
DYNALIFE CN-400
Econo Lube L20195
EVERGARD E195
EXCEL INDUSTRIES 044693
EXCEL INDUSTRIES 277233
FACET 400
Filters Incorporated OF3600
FIRESTONE TF-400
FIRESTONE TF400
FLAG C-2870
FLAG C-3600
Fleetguard LF16212
Fleetguard LF3339
FLEETRITE LFR-83339
Flying F PH3600AZ
Ford 11-4245472
Ford 11436 936
Ford 11464 497
Ford 11525 802
Ford 1614 735
Ford 1794 446
Ford 1829 195
Ford 2724E-6714-C
Ford 5000 513
Ford 5016 960
Ford 542957
Ford 9613330
Ford E1EE-6714-AA
Ford E1FZ-6731-A
Ford E4FZ-6731-A
Ford E4FZ-6731-AB
Ford ESE1ZE-6714-AA
Ford FL 400
Ford USA 2702E-4601-A
Ford USA 2724E-6714-C
Ford USA 59LK-6714-A
Ford USA B7A-6714-A
Ford USA B7A-6731-A
Ford USA B7A-6731-B
Ford USA B8A-6731-A
Ford USA B9AE-6714-A2
Ford USA B9AE-6714-A6
Ford USA B9AE-6714-B
Ford USA B9LE-6714-A
Ford USA C1AZ-6731-A
Ford USA C1AZ-6731-AP
Ford USA C3NN-6714-A
Ford USA C4AZ-6731-A
Ford USA C7NN-6714-A
Ford USA CC1A-2671-A
Ford USA CCOZ-6714-AG
Ford USA CD1RY-6731-A
Ford USA CD4ZZ-6731-B
Ford USA CD5ZZ-6731-A
Ford USA CD5ZZ-6731-C
Ford USA CD8PJ-6714-AA
Ford USA CD8PZ-6731-A
Ford USA COAE-6714-A
Ford USA COAE-6731-A
Ford USA COLE-6714-A
Ford USA D0NN-6714-B
Ford USA D8NN-6714-GA
Ford USA D9AE-6714-AA
Ford USA D9AZ-6731-A
Ford USA E1FZ-6731-A
Ford USA E2AE-6714B1-A
Ford USA E3ZE-6714-CA
Ford USA E3ZE-6714-DA
Ford USA E4 FZ 6731 AB
Ford USA E4FZ-6731-A
Ford USA E7NN-6714-AA
Ford USA E8NN-6714-CA
Ford USA E9AE-6714-B
Ford USA E9NN-6714-AA
Ford USA ECG-6714-A
Ford USA ECZ-6714-C
Ford USA EDC-6714-A
Ford USA EDG-6714-A
Ford USA EDG-6714-C
Ford USA F5RZ-6731-B
Ford USA JLG 7022147
Ford USA MHK-6714-A
Ford USA SBA-140516180
Fram PH16
Fram PH3600
Fram PH8A
GEHL 078852
GEHL 083715
GEHL 600287
General Motors GM 19160692
General Motors GM 19160695
General Motors GM 25012648
General Motors GM 25162815
General Motors GM 5574382
General Motors GM 5574459
General Motors GM 5575840
General Motors GM 5577618
General Motors GM 5579164
General Motors GM 6435675
General Motors GM 6438121
General Motors GM 6439119
General Motors GM 710319
General Motors GM 7961367
General Motors GM 7965051
General Motors GM 7984225
General Motors GM 9002514
GONHER GP3600
GOODYEAR 222-4520
GOODYEAR L400
GRAND PRIX PH400
GRAVELY 046602
Grease Monkey GM20195
Grease Monkey GM400
Group 7 V195
GULF GF-223
HASTINGS LF134
HASTINGS LF135
HASTINGS LF580
HAVOLINE T-28
HYDRA-MAC 4209-146
IAPCO A-0201-001
INTERNATIONAL PARTS SERVICES 4-1087
ITM 11-17801
ITM 111-7801
JAGUAR XR815347
JAGUAR XR817215
JAGUAR XR823395
JAGUAR XR83332
JAGUAR XR8E6714AB
JIFFY LUBE HL3600
JIFFY LUBE JL195
JIFFY LUBE L20195
John Deere AM 31 205
John Deere AM 37 025
John Deere AM 39 653
John Deere AM-35176
John Deere AM34770
John Deere HE1220323
John Deere HE1220445
John Deere MG-508129
John Deere TY 9425
John Deere TY-15079
John Deere TY15591
K & N HP-2009
K MART K-14
K MART MP-14
KENDALL K11
KOHLER 277233
Komatsu TJ-15601-96001
KRALINATOR L109
KRALINATOR L180
Kubota 15402-32430
Kubota 15831-32430
Kubota 70000-14644
Kubota 70000-14672
Kubota 70000-14689
Kubota 70000-32090
Kubota 70000-32901
LEE LF-400
LEE LF-400HP
LPM 1350-5764
LUBER-FINER PH28
LUBER-FINER PH400
Lucas Girling F6202
Lucas Girling F6567
Magneti Marelli 1AMFL00001
Mann Filter ML 1001
Mann Filter ML 1004
Mann Filter ML 1005
Mann Filter W719/12
Mann Filter W719/14
Mann Filter W818/2
MARATHON MO400
MARATHON-LETOURNEAU MO400
Master Parts PH-400
Mazda YF09-14-302A
Mazda Z ZL0-14302
Mazda Z ZM1-23802 A
Mazda ZZM1-23-802
Mazda ZZM1-23-802A
Mechanics Circle MOF 3600
MICROGARD MGL3600
MIGHTY M3600
MILEGUARD MO3600
MINIT LUBE PH400
MOBIL M1-209
MOBIL MO195
MOPAR MO-452
Motor Trend ML3600
MOTORCRAFT FL 276
MOTORCRAFT FL 400
MOTORCRAFT FL 400-A
MOTORCRAFT FL 400-A3
MOTORCRAFT FL 400S
MOTORCRAFT FL 791
NAPA 1516
NAPA 1762
NAPA 1764
NAPA 7301
NEW HOLLAND 277233
NEW HOLLAND 507631
Nissan 12019-021-200
ONAN 122-0323
ONAN 122-0445
ONAN 122-0469
ONAN 122-0608
ONAN 122-0680
ONAN 122A-323
ONAN 122B-323
Parts Master 61516
Parts Plus PH400
PHILLIPS 66 PO195
POWER FLO SL20195
PRECISION TUNE OF-143
PRO-TEC 116
PRO/GAUGE PGO-195
PROMATCH 971489
PROMOTIVE PH195
PRONTO PO-3600
PURFLUX LS194
Purolator L14670
Purolator L20089
Purolator L20195
Purolator L20195S
Purolator L30001
Quaker State QS3600
ROCKHILL 61516
SEARS 45200
SECURITY SO-195
SELECT 500 L1516
SERVICE 1 OF195
SERVICE PRO M195
SHELL SH28
SIEG OS3600
SILVERLINE 21516
STP S3600
SUNOCO O-18
SUPERTECH ST3600
TARGET SF400
TENNANT 166765
TENNANT 47352
TENNANT 56845
THERMO-KING 11-4948
Toyota 00120-00001
Toyota 00120-00005
Toyota 00120-00007
Toyota 04152-64010
Toyota 15600-25010
Toyota 15600-40010
Toyota 15600-41010
Toyota 15600-44010
Toyota 15600-50010
Toyota 15600-61030
Toyota 15601-25010
Toyota 15601-41010
Toyota 15601-44010-83
Toyota 15601-44011
Toyota 15601-78001-71
Toyota 15601-78101-71
TRUST PH400
UNOCAL PF400
VALUTEST 42064
VALUTEST V2516
VALVOLINE VO23
VERA 10-01568
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 110200
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 1266286
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 1266286-2
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 266286
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 418432
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 418432-1
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 418719
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 419719
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 430143
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 430143-8
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 679658-5
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 807180
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 835 779
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 835779-0
Volvo Trucks/VCE/VME/PENTA 897321
WALMI WS-3600
WARNER PH400
WESTERN AUTO 74-5882-1
Wix 51085
Wix 51515
Wix 51516
Wix 51764
Wix 57301
Geoffrey M Baker

And, if you are really into overkill with your oil filters, don't forget the Trasko TI-10S!

www.trasko-usa.com

David Littlefield

Thanks everyone. I went to my local parts house last night manually checking for one to fit the newest Moss canister but came up empty from the selection on the shelves. Would still like to find a a non Moss replacement for for it.

Steve, Bruce, Geoffrey and Dave. Thanks for the lists for Bob's spin on adapter

Cheers

Bill Chasser Jr
TD4834

W. A. Chasser Jr

Bill, If you go spin-on, with a little effort, you can grab a photo of any of the markings on period canisters, print it and glue it to a re-painted spin-on filter followed with a clear finish. Won't fool a concourse judge, but it looks quite convincing to the casual observer. And looks better than seeing "FRAM".

MAndrus

I've never worked with a vertical oil filter (lucky, I guess). Does the same spin-on filter fit both Bob's horizontal and vertical filter adapters? Bud
Bud Krueger

Two different spin-on adapters are made for vertical and horizontal oil pumps. The vertical spin-on looks basically like a dummy top 2/3 of a factory vertical can filter, drilled and tapped for the oil pipes to attach, and for the filter clamps to hold it firmly in place. The filter itself screws on and becomes the bottom third of the unit, short enough to clear the clutch rods (that's the one limitation). The horizontal adapter is just a 1" thick, threaded circle that screws onto the pump housing, to which the filter screws.

Either one is a 15-minute fit, and well worth the money - I do it as standard to every car that comes into the shop.

Tom Lange
MGT Repair
t lange

Thanks, Tom. In that case it sounds as if the answers above are for the wrong adapter. The PH3600/NAPA1516 are for the horizontal adapter, not the vertical one. Bud
Bud Krueger

I don't think so, Bud; my adapter is a vertical unit taking a PH3600 filter. I can't speak for the horizontal units, though.
Geoffrey M Baker

Okay, Geoff, I see the word's in Toms message that could make that so, "becomes the bottom third". Gee, I'd love to see an image of a vertical adapter. Bud
Bud Krueger

Bud, the engine is out. When I get it back in I'll try to remember to take and post some pictures. In the meantime, here is a picture grabbed of the web of a vertical adapter that looks pretty much identical to mine (tho I don't recognize the filter)...

Geoffrey M Baker

Unipart is the "official" Leyland, BMC, Jaguar OE parts supplier in the UK (I believe) and in the USA. Not sure if a GFE 443 is an item stocked in the USA.
John Quilter (TD8986)

Geoffrey - As I wrote above, be sure the oil filter will clear the clutch rods; the filter you show in the picture might be a bit too long.

Tom Lange
MGT Repair
t lange

Tom, that's not my engine :)
I've never had a problem with the clutch rods and I think my filter is at least as long as that... I will check this issue carefully when my engine comes back (next week, fingers crossed) and I start reassembly of systems...
Geoffrey M Baker

Sorry. Got my filters mixed up between the TD and the B. I use a Fram PH3600 on my vertical adapter in the TD. No issues with clearance with the clutch rods.
Bruce TD4139 Cunha

You know, over the years I've heard a lot of put downs on Fram filters and I won't go into the various comments. So let me tell you a little story about what we used over the years. On our Caterpillar engines we used Cat filters, Cummings, filters from Cummings, reason, warranty, on everything else we used Fram filters. On the vehicles we changed filters every 3000 miles or 100 hrs of running time, some vehicles would idle all day and never shut down. Welding machines and air compressors got Fram filters. Now at oil changes, samples were sent out for analysis, but saying that, we never had an engine go bad due to inefficient oil filtering. So to those who think Fram filters are bad, so be it, but I know better. We bought them 3 and 4 cases at a time. Just sayin. PJ
Paul161

Years ago there was a guy who did some analysis on a bunch of filters and posted it on the web. You can probably still find it out there. IIRC, the analysis consisted of cutting apart the filters and opining on the quality of materials and construction of the filters. I don't think he did any flow or filtration tests, per se.

His conclusion was that Fram was one of the cheapest if not the cheapest made filter and (I think) Wix came out on top. The guy got a lot of grief from Fram for that and had to move his website a couple of times, though I don't think he was completely shut down.

In any case, I think Fram's reputation got smeared because of that and people still tend to think of them as inferior oil filters. However, though they may be cheaply made, perhaps they still do an adequate job of filtering oil, IDK. Again, that was a number of years ago, so I have no idea whether Fram has changed their filters since then, for better or worse.

Personally, I use Fram filters and don't worry about it.
David Littlefield

Paul When I owned a small logtruck fleet we ran Cat filters but also ran centrifuges because we had the pumps turned up. The fleet consisted of 3406, 3408 and my Toy Truck had a 3412DITTA (derated to 900hp except for dyno challenges at Caterpillar truck Shows) shoehorned into it, But I digress... Even with quality filters, the centrifuge would spin out an ounce of carbon from the oil. We changed oil religiously every 5000mi and had Cat analize the oils for breakdown. 5000 mi was the best we could do because of the heavy metal particulates that were from the extreme environments and over-fueled systems.

Thanks Geoffrey and Bruce, I'll look into the PH3600 for the Gruneau spin on unit.

The main question which hasn't been answered yet:

Is there a replacement filter available for the modern Moss vertical units that I can get from my local parts house?

Cheers

Bill Chasser Jr
TD4834
W. A. Chasser Jr

Pep Boys often carries the K&N HP-2009 that I run. Or go to Napa and get their Gold Series filter in an equivalent part number. Both are excellent filters. Otherwise just hop on Amazon and order a couple. Should arrive in two days. I use them on several cars so I usually order up a whole box and when I'm down to one or two, just order another.

Steve Simmons

Bill, I've been in your footsteps before on this one. One year I had one left and that was the year that Moss couldn't get them. Before I installed it I went to a tractor supply to see if they could match it up and walked away empty handed. I ended up with the spin on conversion from Butch Taras. Never regretted it. I just paint the filter either silver or engine red before I put it on.
Keith Yarbrough(TD 1275)

Hi Keith I see Lawrie is building your trans. should have had me do it.I thought you had that thing out several mos ago for a clutch what happened?
W. A. Chasser Jr

Bill, I thought the growling was normal until I went to GOF. Mine was a little louder and more metallic than everyone else. I had a guy look at it when it was out and he blessed it as healthy but it just didn't sound right so we're trying again. Lawrie had some extra parts and the price was right.
Keith Yarbrough(TD 1275)

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