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MG TD TF 1500 - Nice MG at Auction

I just received this from my local club.


http://www.mclemoreauction.com/


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Mort TD 1851

I'm puzzled, but see no reason to disbelieve this car is genuine. But the engine number, given as TD3/23648, is not on my (supposedly complete) list of Mark II cars. Also, the ID plate - which I can't read for the ID number - is a re-stamped reproduction. I can't see if the car has anything beyond the badging, dual fuel pumps and (MGA) 1-1/2" carbs. Might be OK, but I can't be sure. Can anyone with more resolution read the ID number?

The only two possibilities I have are TD/C 23200 with XPAG/TD3/23649 and TD/C 23217 with XPAG/TD3/23646. Whoever buys this better be damn sure the bill of sale matches the car's correct s/n!

Thanks. Tom

Tom
t lange

I improved it a little Tom with a photo program, but not clear enough to state a specific number. PJ
Paul J

I blew it up but the best I could get was;

Car NO TD/C 17992
EXL/N???????
Body Type 22381
Body No 17992 8444

Mort
Mort TD 1851

Mort - Stranger and stranger, as Alice said. TD/C17992 is not a valid TD/C number either, but TD/C17919 did use engine TD3 17992...

Someone in the Nashville area might just get a real bargain. Is there anyone in the area who might go there and bid for me? I could wire you money either before or after.

Tom
t lange

Tom,
Can you read this?

It does read TD/C 17992
EXL/NA
Can't read the engine number.

Mort


Mort TD 1851

Mort - that's a July 1952-built regular TD, with TD2-18243. This car still feels to me like a genuine TD/C, but the numbers just don't match anything I have.

The TD3 engine listed in the ad is what a TD/C built after June 6, 1952 should have, although that particular engine number doesn't match any recorded TD3 engine (I don't have engine lists for regular TD's, only TD/C cars).

I've spoken with the auctioneer and he will be checking the frame number asnd engine numbers tomorrow. I hope to be able to post something definitive then.

In the mean time, it appears that nobody is able to bid for me, if it turns out to be genuine.

Tom
t lange

I've got:

1952 TD TD/C 17992 XPAG23648 22381 UNKNOWN UNKNOWN LHD UNKNOWN UNKNOWN UNKNOWN UNKNOWN ORLANDO FL U.S.A.
gblawson(gordon- TD27667)

Unfortunately that isn't a TD/C number if you look at the on-line production records. Also, the engine number isn't from a TD/C (see above).

Tom
t lange

Looking at my database the body numbers don't match up to each other or to the year.
Mike
Mike Hart (52 TD 16378)

Tom-
My MKII is TDC-17198 (RHD) and was also an export (Hong Kong).

Paul
Paul Gaynor

Looking at the ad again...and the postings.... they imply the body number is 17992 ... no way the body number and chassis number would match...at least it doesn't on the other few thousand in my data base....
the 2nd body number also should be up in the low 90,000 ... it was just before the stamping company went back to 000000

So...the body plate has been redone, and not done correctly

Funny, it showed up in my data base as a TD/C ... not sure what list it came from or if it was entered by an owner.....
Not a huge jump to have it go from Florida to Tenn....

Gotta check the dumbiron.....
gblawson(gordon- TD27667)

Let there be no misunderstanding - the auctioneer is faithfully reporting what he has been told about the car, and does NOT claim to be knowledgeable about MG matters. He is just as anxious to get to the bottom of this as anyone else, and has offered to make a special trip to the car (which is in sherriff's-auction-impound-land somewhere) and to report back on engine and frame numbers this AM. He has been both extremely helpful and forthcoming.

I think he is to be thanked/congratulated for trying to resolve the matter, and for not sweeping these ID number problems under the rug or simply remaining silent on the matter. Clearly the PO (whom he described as wealthy with very nice toys) either deceived or was deceived, I just don't know by how much.

As others have pointed out, with all of these questions one must be EXTREMELY careful about buying this car.

Tom



t lange

Anyone know how this auction turned out? Just wondering.

Bill
Bill Brown

The auctioneer called me back this AM to confirm that the chassis number is TD17992, and that it does NOT have a TD/C prefix. Seems as though someone went to an awful lot of trouble to make this into a look-alike TD/C, including the reporduction ID plate stamped TD/C.

CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!

I'll find out how much it sold for and post tomorrow.

Tom
t lange

The car sold for $21,250, a strong price for a non-TD/C car, I think. It looked very tidy with wire wheels, and the price reflected it.

The auctioneer made the appropriate pre-sale announcement that someone had gone to a lot of trouble to turn a TD into a TD/C look-alike, and that this was definitely a regular TD, and NOT a TD/C.

Tom
t lange

I hope whomever purchased it, experiences the joy that most of us have come to know with our t's.

Bill
Bill Brown

This thread was discussed between 23/05/2011 and 26/05/2011

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