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MG TD TF 1500 - Original MK II Air Cleaner Photos Needed

Hi All

Could someone with the original TD MK II air cleaner assembly take some photos of the actual oil bath components and the cleaner manifold for me? I am helping a friend with a MK II restore his car and I have yet to see any detailed photos of this slightly different set up. Most MKIIs now have the pancack filters and we may have to go with these initially. I am interested in seeing the original set up however.

If anyone knows of a MKII cleaner assembly that is available, Please let me know. Thanks in advance.

Due to the larger carbs found on the MKIIs, the standard TD assembly will not work. There is a nice one on Ebay right now for those that may need the standard unit.


Jeff
Jeff

Jeff, I cannot remember where I fount the two pictures but here is one.
Jim


Jim Merz

Here is the other. I have actually never seen one and I have looked at a lot of MGs over the years.


Jim Merz

I will be working on my TDII early in December, and it still does have the original air cleaner kit. I think breatihing through these was certainly seen as a limitation, hence the swap to pancakes.

If you are still short of good imaages then I will gat a set for you, with measuring stick alongside. The main difference is the dimpled top surface and that it is somewhat larger than the standard, which is why there is a bulge in the bonnet side.

Let me know nearer the time.

Rgds

IanB
Ian Bowers

Jim - thanks for the photos - those seem to be factory pics - which is great. The oil bath and the air duct seem to be almost the same - just slightly larger.

Ian - if you could post some photos - that would be wonderful. You see so few of the assemblies on MKIIs these days.

Thanks so much,

Jeff
Jeff

Jeff,

Here are 3 that are more contemporary.

Tom


Tom Balutis

2 of 3.


Tom Balutis

3 of 3.


Tom Balutis


Jeff - I may be mistaken, but I seem to recall reading something about 3-4 different MK II air cleaners variations. I would contact Steve Swarts sswarts@houston.westerngeco.slb.com Steve as I recall has done a lot of research on these and has written several articals about them, he may even have or know of some for sale.

Also, there was a thread recently about colors for oil filter cans. If this is a factory photo, looks like the can is a Purolator with a green can like the AH & NOT painted MG engine red, hummmmm. Sam
Sam

Sometime in the mid 60's, I acquired a TD motor and gearbox complete with all the attachments which included a damaged air intake manifold. This was for the 1 1/4" carbs and I modified it to fit the 1 1/2 " carbs. Upon installation, I found that the air was severely restricted due to the smaller diameter of the manifold. I had hoped to utilize the oil bath but after a test, realized that it was not going be satisfactory. I put the pancakes back on found a considerable difference in performance. That extra large manifold is definitly required for the larger carbs or the pancakes as an alternate. It was an interesting experiment.
George Raham
TD 4224
G. L. Raham

Thanks everyone -

Tom - the second and third photos look like the standard unit to me - am I wrong on that? The units seem so much alike - it is sometimes difficult to tell - the oil bath on the MKII is much deeper - the manifold looks very similar though.

Sam - I will contact Steve and appreciate very much the information.

George - I know what you mean - those larger carbs do need the extra breathing capacity.

I imagine the one version of the assembly is very hard to find - given the number of MKIIs produced.

I'll look again at the Ebay sale,

Jeff
Jeff

With all the interchangeability among parts we have found on British cars over the years, I wonder if there might have been one that had a 1500cc engine that used some sort of oil bath air cleaner.
Jim Merz

Jeff,

You may be correct about the second and third photograph. The dashpots do look small. However, what I recall is the owner insisting it was a bona-fide MKII. It does have the dual fuel pumps as you can see, and I do recall seeing the supplementary Andrex shocks on the front suspension. Maybe a P.O. was forced to swap out the larger carbs for smaller ones for whatever reason, and that of course required the smaller manifold. No telling what may have happened.

Tom
Tom Balutis

Jeff, if you send me your email address I will send a pretty good picture of the assembly. Otherwise, can someone let me know how to post a picture on this site?
Cheers, Hugh Pite
Hugh Pite

Tom,
A few years ago there was a similar MkII for sale on e-Bay (with the smaller carbs and dual fuel pumps). I had a lengthy discussion with the owner and he too claimed it was an all original set-up.
Further investigation revealed it was mentioned in the special tuning manual as well: I thought it was "stage four" but I'm not sure as I don't have the manual here at the moment.

Nick, 52TD
Nick

Hugh, after you type your message, scroll to the bottom of the message box and click on the button that says 'Upload". Then you pick the photo from your file and follow the rest of the instructions. It seems like only one photo can be loaded per message.
Jim Merz

Jeff, here is a picture of the MK 2 aircleaner.


H.D. Pite

Thanks Jim, I now see how to do it.
Cheers, Hugh
H.D. Pite

MP, Hugh. First photo of an actual Mk II Air Cleaner I have ever seen. Now it's in file. Thanks.
Jim Merz

In both Jeff' and H.Ds photos, the manifolds have a large mark cut/worn off. What causes this?
Bruce-C

The cut-out is needed to fit behind the louvres on the bonnet side!

Intersting to see the red colour on the logo, is that confirmed as original?

IanB
Ian Bowers

Good Morning Gentlemen:

Sorry for the long delay in my response. I have been away for almost one week due to a death in my girlfriend's family. Thank you all for the responses.

In looking over the photos - which are very helpful to see thanks Jim, Tom, and Hugh - I do now see that the aluminum manifold is much larger - as you would expect - and the oil bath is much taller. Both would be needed to feed the larger carbs.

As to MKIIs fitted with the smaller carbs, this seems odd as the larger carbs were a big marketing point in the MKII specification. It may be that earlier owners replaced the larger carbs with the smaller once they realized they would not be racing the cars every weekend - who knows. I have a tuning manual for the TF but not the TD - I just can't imagine the factory making the other "competition" changes and then using the smaller carbs. I vote for a later modification by an owner - the linkages for the larger carbr are different on the TD and MGA and it may be that owners simply went back to the smaller ones - once the large carbs wore out.

The red paint on the manifild would not be original - from the things I have read. I think owners simply do this to dress things up a bit.

Thanks again for providing the nice photos and information.

Jeff
Jeff

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