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MG TD TF 1500 - Pedal Box Cover

While perusing thru Dave Braun's wonderful site (again!), I noted that there is a side cover on the pedal box. While redoing my floorboards, I recall the side of mine was open. Sooo, I checked today, and sure enough I am missing the side cover.

I have checked the Moss and A/S sites, and do not see a replacement offered. Does anyone know a source? Or, if someone has easy access to their chasis, can you measure the dimensions for me, and I'll make one. Also, I need to know the capture nut thread size inside the box.

Any help appreciated.

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Larry-
Sorry I don't have the dimensions for the cover, but here's a shot of the open box. The cover is a trapezoid as shown. You should be able to get the dimensions while lying on your back. See the outline of the actual cover in the photo. There are three captured nuts and one stud and you should be able to get their sizes while you're under there.

Should be easy to make a replacement.

Good luck,
Roy


Roy Challberg

Thanks Roy. I also note that my box has a very large round hole in the bottom. I don't see this hole on yours.

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

the threads are 1/4 bsf as is the stud. should be easy enough to make a cardboard pattern that fits then just trace it out on some tin. no biggie. Had to do plenty of that to patch my toe board.
l rutt

Thanks I rutt. Yeah, that's the plan. I need to chase the threads too. Only wish I was working with a bare chasis :-)

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Roy,
Just looking at your photo brings back awfull haunting memories of all that is involved in the the task of changing the bushing that is buried in there !!!!! YIKES !!!!!!!!

SPW
Steve Wincze

http://www.abingdonsparesllc.com/catpg63detail.html

63/62 pedal box cover
George Butz

Larry Karpman, I have an original cover for the side of the pedal box that you can have if you haven't made one already. Let me know.
Jim Merz

Jim: You have email.

Larry
L Karpman

Larry, the cover is on its way to you. The cost is to do another MG owner a favor when the time comes.
Jim Merz

Yea Jim Thats the way to keep this BBS the best for TD's and TF's. My congrats to you.

Sincerely,

Bob
R. K. Jeffers

Thanks a bunch Jim, and I will certainly return the favor to any MG enthusiast. Does anyone know offhand the length of the bolts holding the cover on? I don't want to inadvertantly interfere with anthing inside the box.

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Hi Larry,

See archives on this - there was a cork gasket as well originally - usually missing! Bear this in mind when choosing bolt length - around 1/2" - 5/8" I think!

Cheers, John
J C Mitchell

The most certain way to check for the proper length is to use a sample bolt placing it thru the cover and gasket and into one of the holes where you can rotate the cover out of the way. Look inside and see if there will be either sufficient length or some interference with the movement of the end of the pedal.
Jim Merz

Thanks all. Will be looking thru my measley supply of 1/4 BSF bolts to see if I have short ones.

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Larry,

They are actually called hex headed set screws because they should be threaded the entire shank (to the head) since they go through such a short run. I think they were 1/4 BSF -5/8" too.

Here is a picture as they were when I removed mine during dissassembly. I wonder if I should add a chapter to the website of Nuts and Bolts as found on my car during removal?

warmly,
dave


Dave Braun

Dave: Thanks, I actaully found two 1/4 x 5/8 BSF hex head screws in my spares bin. The PO had used them in place of the screws on the floor board mounting in a few spots, so after replacing the floorboards and proper hardware, they became spares. Guess I need to find one more :-)

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Hi Larry,

So my memory was about right re the length! Glad you found some patterns - I'm sure you'll find another BSF bolt, or at least someone with a 26TPI die? Don't forget the gasket, around 1/8" thick which can be cut out to match the cover.

Good luck, John.
J C Mitchell

Well, thanks to the gift of a cover from Jim Merz, and a homemade cork gasket, I got the cover installed. I am still wondering why there is a 3" hole in the bottom of the pedal box. Why would the factory allow all that road crud to possibly get accumulated in there? Is there a reason for the hole in the bottom? Seems if there was, there would be a removeable cover like the side. Or, am I missing that too???? :-)

Cheers

Larry
L Karpman

Larry, there is not supposed to be a hole of any size in the bottom of the pedal box.
Jim Merz

Larry, a TF1500 in town has a hole in the bottom of the box also. This car was unrestored and very low mileage- anyone else's TF have similar hole? Most likely yours has one because of the near impossibility to work on the thing, so someone cut a hole in it for access and/or to avoid removing the floorboards. George
George Butz

Larry, I have a 54TF that has the large hole in the bottom of the pedal box. It is 1 3/4" in diameter. It does not look like a DIY hole. I did not know that the side cover was suppose to have a gasket until this thread and I too wondered why they would have a gasket on the side with the large hole in the bottom.
Makes no sence to me but I think the hole is original... John
J Ostergren

My TF 1500 has the hole. It makes hooking up the spring possible .

So does the TF 1250 we are restoring.

Don Harmer
Don Harmer

Wow, confusing eh? I have a TD, but I suppose the TD/TF frames are just about the same. Another MG mystery :-)

Cheers and thanks

Larry
L Karpman

Larry, the TF frames have additional mounting points for the tub just forward of the scuttle hoop.

Here is a picture.

warmly,
dave


Dave Braun

My late 53 TD has the hole in the bottom. No gasket on the side but that is not surprising. The hole is perfectly place and the size the others are indicating.
l rutt

My 54 TF1500 has the hole in the bottom of the box as well. I imagine this is simply a case of the factory adding the hole later in production to assist with maintenance and repair - learning things along the way and having feedback from service to the production line. I am going to find a nice big rubber plug (similar to that used for the TD/TF footwell pans) to close off this hole. That should keep out the gunk and grime.
J. W. Delk

The TF hole in the bottom of the pedal box with a proper size rubber plug sure sounds like a very sensible idea from a maintenance standpoint. I wonder how much room there is under the end of the pedal for the inner rim of the plug like J.W. Delk suggests. Anyone have easy access to check it out?
Jim Merz

Is there a rubber plug available for that hole? I'd fit one if I could find one. I don't see one on Moss's site.
l rutt

What size is the rubber master cylinder inspection plug used on LHD cars? Maybe it is too large. I can't check because that part is not used on RHDs.
Jim Merz

My car also has the hole. It is similar in size to the hole in the footwell recess (above the master cylinder cap). I'll have to check this spring. If it's the same, the moss rubber plug would fit. It would help keep road debris out of the box.

Cheers,
Evan
Evan Ford

Checked the underside of the pedal box on 'the53'. Sure enough, it has the hole.
Bud Krueger

I have a 53 TD which also has a hole in the underside of the pedal box. The UK moss catalogue shows part no. ACA5300 (PLUG master cylinder inspection)on the rubber fitting page for both the TD and TF. I fitted this plug which is a little small but stayed in with a little super glue. Hope this helps Chris
C A Pick

I've attached a photo of the plug in situ

Regards Chris




C A Pick

I looked at my three '52 TD frames today, the January and May have no hole but the November one does. Marvin TD/C12828
Marvin Stuart

According to Moss-Europe on-line catalogue, the rubber plug was fitted to all RHD cars and from commission number 4237 on LHD cars. Probably the same is true of the hole.

My 53 TD fulfils this rule.

Jesus
J Benajes

Jesus,

That serial number is the start of the footwell in the driver's floor where the pivoting metal access master cylinder inspection cover in a solid floor was replaced by a rubber plug in a rectangular footwell. I think that rubber plug 280-410 (or ACA5300 in Europe?) in the catalog may be referencing that location.

My car, TD15470 (April 24, 1952) doesn't have an inspection hole in the bottom of the pedal box.

warmly
dave
Dave Braun

My TD 20660 EXR does not have the hole but I am not above adding one if I could use the master cylinder inspection plug from a LHD. Some exact dimensional locations would be appreciated but maybe I can eyeball it.
Jim Merz

David, In the moss europe catalogue the LHD footwell plug is part no. 280-400 and the brake master cylinder plug for LHD is part no.ACA5300 as I previously identified. This applies to both the LHD TD (after4237)and TF

Chris
C A Pick

Here's one of the archive threads. Bud
Bud Krueger

The pedal box on my TF1500 has the original hole. The box was filled with gritty and greasy sand. It does give access to springs, split pins, etc...Since there is a hole out the front where the linkage goes out, I figure it will fill with crap through that hole anyway, so a rubber plug in the bottom may be of marginal utility. I'll think about that one...Of course, mine had no cover plate on the side either, so it was a real mess! Fixed that problem easily with some aluminum sheet. The design of this box is just poor. Mike
MW Davis

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