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MG TD TF 1500 - Pedal shaft assembly sequence (RHD)

I have rebushed the pedals and am installing a new pedal shaft.(RHD car) Can anybody tell me where the washers go? I can't seem to find a good diagram. There are two of them and their placement will affect the alignment of the pedals.
Regards, Richard.
R Payne

If this complete link works it is a good complete breakdown drawing. It is from the online Moss catalog, clutch system.
This may be a left hand car so you may have to hold it to a mirror ;>)

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=32783
Dallas Congleton

Richard,

If you can get your hands on a copy of the original MG midget Service Parts List, refer to the pull-out Plate H. This is a large and clear graphic that will answer your question.

However I will "transcribe" it as best I can as follows, for an RHD TD/TF:-

One the pedal shaft, there is only one washer and that goes on the shaft, between the two pedal arms (brake/clutch).

On parts list, Page D2, there are two of these washers called for on the LHD car, but only one on the RHD car.

I wish you well in that very nasty job. I did it 25 years ago and I think I am still bearing the scars from it; and in the process, I invented a few new cuss-words unique to the job! If Cecil Kimber were still alive, I would have long ago, sent him a rude letter!

Incidentally, you may be interested to know that I tried to impart some extended life to the shaft, so I would NEVER have to do it again. Using a small triangular file, I hand-scribed a spiral groove the full length of the shaft. I would estimate I went around it twice. Once I felt it was deep enough (approx. 1.5 mm), I cleaned it up so there were no rough edges. I fitted a new grease nipple, then covered the shaft with MOS before installing it. Once installed, I gave it a good shot of MOS.

I must admit that I've had absolutely no trouble ever since and that was in 1982. I keep a small lube gun filled with MOS for just that purpose.

Gord Clark
Rockburn, Qu.
Gordon A. Clark

>This may be a left hand car so you may have to hold it to a mirror ;>)

Well, no, not really, Dallas. The order of the pedals from left to right is the same for right hand drive cars as it is for left hand drive cars, but the box is just on the other side of the car. There's also a different pedal shaft for left hand drive than RHD. The LHD shaft is keyed to the clutch pedal and turns with it, but the clutch pedal on a RHD car has a bushing and rotates on the shaft. The pedal levers themselves are different, but Moss doesn't list them. But the arrangement of washers is the same. At least it was when I disassembled my car.
Mark B.

Thanks, Gordon

We cross-posted. I also have the service parts list, so I must have misremembered. Gordon is correct. I can scan the diagram, but it may take me a few days to get to it.
Mark B.

I'll defer to your experience Mark B. However this Moss catalog list the LHD shaft and denotes other differences as applied to the LHD such as the circlips, which would more similarity between the two. An exact breakdown of the RHD would be better, but I think this would explain the washer locations.

Dallas
Dallas Congleton

No offense, Dallas. But when I first thought getting about a right hand drive car, I thought the pedals would be a mirror image. They aren't, they're just on the other side of the car. That's all I was trying to convey.

For some reason, MG changed quite a few details on the pedals on the left to right hand version of the car. I'm not sure why the clutch linkage was changed so much but I'm guessing it was to get clearance between the clutch rod and the frame rail. In any case, they're really different.
Mark B.

No offense taken Mark B. I had a smiley after the mirror comment to show it was a joke. I just thought Richard wanted to know about the two washers, which may be the same? You guys providing him with a correct diagram is a plus!

Dallas
Dallas Congleton

Richard,
I have a copy of the "Plate H" that Gordon referred to. If you want a copy I can snail or fax if you like. It does only show the clutch parts/assembly in total and not the pedal box as such.
Let me know.
Regards
Bill Cassidy.
Bill Cassidy

Thank you all very much for your help. I have the manual, also the parts manual and the Moss catalogue (wich I hadn't thought of checking) but could not find a diagram which showed the full RHD set up with brakes plus clutch.
Your collective comments have helped me get a picture of the whole thing and it will be my job for Sunday.At least I have the floor, gearbox and exhaust off the car so will have maximum access.
Thanks again, Richard.
R Payne

Have assembled the pedals - two washers were supplied, 3mm thick. Neither would fit the new pedal shaft and they had to be filed out a little. One 3mm washer went between the clutch and brake pedal, and the other one had to be filed down to 2mm to fit between the clutch pedal and the circlip on the end of the shaft. The job was fiddly and hard to get at but not too bad - the RHD setup seems much simpler than the LHD one. Thanks for your help, Richard.
R Payne

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