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Triumph TR6 - 1971 TR6's on this BBS

after seeing Steve P's comment re The number of '71's on this BBS, I thought I would do the diging and bring it back to rub into the '74 (NOT 74.5) owners.

It is "Copy and Paste" from a thread "Another New Owner", July 6,2006.
Had trouble finding the list.


SteveP: CC56209L July 1970/71
Ken J: CC56757 Aug 1970/71
Kyran: CC57225L Oct 1970/71
Don B: CC57632 OCT 70 1970/71
Don K: CC58660 Nov 1970/71
Angel T:CC57632 OCT 1970/71
Charlie S: CC60260LO Dec 1970/1 (build started May'70:)
John B: CC60621L
Joe S: CC60628LO Dec 1970/71.
Benji: CC61654lo Jan. 71' (31 before Dan Master's!)
Dan M: CC61685LO Jan 1971(OD long gone) To be an 'OrD:)
Rick C: CC62645L Sept 1971 Notice the date..(donor car)
Mike CCC62976L Mar 1971
Berry: CC63230L Mar 1971 (254 TR6s after Mikes')
Tom S: CC63828L April 1971
Jim: CC63860L April 1971
Dan M: CC64944L May 1971 (1084 after Jim..WOW)
Rick C: CC65060L May 1971...(now with an O at the end:)..116 TR6s after Dans').
Doug B: CC65881L June 1971
TOTAL=19

To be fair the74 guys had a thread in 2006 also. "Calling All 74 Owners"

Rick
Rick Crawford

Rick
How can you tell a 74 from a 74.5? CF18177U

Gord
GL Gordon

Rick,

You're not going to start this 71 vs 74 thing again?

Gord, The 74.5 start at # CF27000 and were manufactured from Aug 74 to I believe Jan 75. Not sure if it was an official designation and what all the differences are. Something about the bumpers and the location of the front flashers, etc.

Back in 2006 we tried to include the 74.5 in our list of 74 but there was some complaints from the 71 guys.

Even if there were more 74 manufactured than 71 we could only come up with 15 true 74.

Here is the list as it stood back in 2006. Maybe you can add yours and make it 16 - 74s

1) Roman H: CF12936U, Sep '73, Carmine Red/New Tan
2) Erik C: CF13789UO, Aug. 73
3) Jeff F: CF13816U, Oct 73, Pimento/black
4) Malcolm M: CF16284U, Dec 73, Mallard
5) Steve C: CF17089U, Jan 03,74 BRG/black
6) Tim M: CF17341U, Jan 74 Emerald/black
7) Rod N: CF17540UO, Jan 21,74 Mallard/New Tan
8) David Poncia: CF18128UO, Feb 74 Sapphire blue/black
9) Don Hasara: CF19053U, Feb '74, White/Shadow Blue
10) Paddy Kan: CF19062U, Feb '74 Sapphire Blue/Shadow Blue
11) Ignatius R: CF19363U, Mar 74, Emerald/black
12) Sylvain D: CF20793U, April 74, BRG - Plate says French Blue
13) John: CF22199U, May '74, BRG/
14) Clive Parker: CF23380UO June '74 BRG
15) John Korsak: CF25165UO, Aug '74 Carmine Red/New Tan
16) Jeff F: CF27006U, Aug 74.5, Mimosa/black
17) Pete Russell: CF27554UO, Aug '74.5, White/tan
18) Christopher Trace: CF28480U, Oct 74.5 Rio Red/black
19) Mike H: CF29669UO, Nov '74.5 Red/Black
20) Rob B: CF30091U, Jan 75,74.5 Mimosa/Black
21) Martin B: CF30116UO, Dec/31 74, 74.5 BRG/Black
22) Les G: CF30283U, Jan 75, 74.5 Blue/black
23) Sid Turner: CF31275UO 74.5 Delft Blue / Black

Sylvain
S Demers

Gord
As Steve P had said in the 2006 thread do some cut and paste to edit the list. Well here is a little cut and past to answer your question directly from that thread.

Gord maybe you are not aware of this but at the top of this page is a link called ARCHIVE. It is past years of this BBS. It has a topic search engine.




QUOTE
"Rick Crawford, Ontario, Canada, rjcassocAT@lynxDOT.org
Maybe I am missing something here. Is this not suppose to be a list of 1974 TR6s?
Why do we have, from #15 to #22, all built as 1974.5. What does that mean? Is this not the '75 model year? What does the commission plate say??? 1974.5??
I thought that years started roughly August previous year and went to August of that year.
The above '74 list starts August '73...OK so far but goes to January (or February with Sid) of 1975. It should also be noted that there was major changes between '74 and '74.5.
I think the '74 list actually stops at number 14......IMHO

Rick C


Posted 28 July 2006 at 15:42:00 UK time
Rod Nichols, Idaho, USA, rodnich@qwest.net
Rick,
The "74.5" is the 'high-bumper' version with the turn lamps below the bumper. Still a 74. Looking back at some of the comments (mine included) this is starting to look like there are some MG owners in the mix....aren't we all driving TR6's??? :)
Rod


Posted 28 July 2006 at 15:52:00 UK time
SteveP, Marietta GA USA
It had struck me as somewhat odd also as some of this is not supported by production survey information that I have, but to a certain extent I attribute it to BL model year flakiness (there was some period of overlap with 74 and 75 model year production, I also remember some new 74 1/2s coming into Overseas Motors after the first of the 75 cars had arrived) and US standards that were being implemented on the fly.

If I am remembering correctly there are two quick discriminators between the 74 1/2 cars and the 75 cars. If it has all amber front park/turn lens and no air pump, it is a 74 1/2. If it has the clear and amber front lens and/or an air pump (or was originally fitted with one if it has been removed) it is a 75. In either case both the 74 1/2 and the 75 cars, providing a human attribute, would know how to wear a sweater if you know what I mean." END QUOTE

There you go..as usual, Steve comes through with the definite answer.

Rick
a true 1971.



Rick Crawford

Rick,
Are you just trying to get a bit of banter going cuz the BBS has been so dead lately? Looks like you may have succeeded! ....and didn't adding 3 years to the 71 result in improving the breed? ;)
Rod

CF17540UO Jan 21,74 Mallard/New Tan....(just had a birthday!)
Rod Nichols

I think it is nice that you are all enjoying your development mules. We all know that the 1975 model was the ultimate goal of the Triumph designers. We have all the free extras under the bonnet (EGR valve? Check. Air pump? Check. Extra drive belt to make changing the fanbelt even harder? Check. Masses of pipes, valves and hoses? Check.) It was a very clever plan by the factory to sell all of those half-sorted prototypes. By 1975 (sometime in February I presume since that's when mine was made) they had it spot on. Of course, they started churning out the development mules for the TR7 then, and we all know that the 1976 model TR6s were basically a way of using up left over parts...

Come on, let's have a list of 1975 owners! Band together (as soon as we can get there in our low compression, emissions choked vehicles!). I'll start us off:

CF36396U - Feb 75

Note that all the numbers in my commission number are divisible by three - I presume that this is connected to the fact that every job I undertake costs three times my first estimate!

Out of interest, how many late model cars are still running with Air pump, EGR valve etc? Mine will have neither (if it ever goes back together).

Cheers
Alistair
A Hewitt

Alister,
I'd be willing to wager that with a mite of extra effort you too could have a '71!! Convert that '75 by getting rid of the smog stuff; new (old) bumpers, early seats, different head and exhaust manifold and only the data plate would tell the difference. Even Rick'd be satisfied if he looked at it:-)
db
Doug Baker

Doug

Make no mistake - Rick would know. He can smell a '75 at 200 paces!

Actually I rather like the big black bumper overriders (boobs, as my wife calls them). Other than that I have removed pretty much all of the '75 "features". The smog stuff is all in boxes up in the attic (the charcoal canister remains - no point getting rid of that, and the other stuff is removed because it doesn't work, not because I hate trees!) and even the seatbelt warning system is disconnected.

While the '71 guys are getting together, I'll see if I can offload those K&N's I bought - I have a pair of the chrome housing type K&N air filters which I bought thinking that bigger was better - turns out that the deeper filters will only fit with an early manifold. Surely someone must want them? Can't send them back due to a primitive return policy and can't be bothered to take pictures for ebay. $79.95 each at Moss, you can have the pair for $80 shipped! Someone? Anyone?

Cheers
Alistair
A Hewitt

Alistair,
Thanks for the offer, but alas, lad, I purchased a chromed original filter housing and it does look pretty good. Otherwise I'd be interested. If I can overcome technology lag, I'll post up a photo. My original bumpers were also rechromed and bare of "boobs" look pretty good too.
db
Doug Baker

Doug,
I may need to rechrome a bumper. Care to tell what it cost to have done? Did you send it off or have it done locally?

TIA,
Tom
Tom Sotomayor

Tom,
Tristate Plating Co or something to that effect in Elizabethton TN (NE corner of TN). Did the complete job, all four pieces, 3 rear and one front, blasted clean, repaired dents, triple plated...copper/nickel/chrome all with a lifetime guarantee against plating failure for ~$760.00 USD plus about $30.00 shipping. I did not have shipping cost to them, only back. A friend dropped them off. If interested I'll send you some photos and get the actual contact info.
db
Doug Baker

Alistair
I could do it from 1000 pases......the height of the front bumper would be the giveaway. That is a darn good offer on the K&Ns. I already have the deep ones. Do not recall the year the manifold changed (75?) but it is wider and less room out at the wheel well.

Rod, yup 3 years added to it. I have to have her re-appraised and for sure the value will go up along with the premium. Yes, did wake you chaps up.

I still contend the 75.5s should not be on the list.

Rick
Rick Crawford

Doug,
Yeah, send me some contact info. I'm not ready to trip that trigger yet, but it seems to be getting harder to find a decent place. A recommendation (assuming you're happy with the results!) would be appreciated.

Email me at:

ausserdog * at * hotmail * dot * com

TIA,
Tom
Tom Sotomayor

Rick

1000 paces is pretty impressive, but I would expect no less!

I think it was 1972 that the manifold changed to the more efficient (but deeper) design. Seriously - nobody wants these filters?

Oh, and what is this about 75.5s? Soon you will be saying you only approve of 1971 models with commission numbers between CC62644 and CC62646!

Cheers
Alistair
A Hewitt

I'd be interested in the filters but I guess they won't fit my 74?

Sylvain
S Demers

Sylvain

Sadly no good for your car (unless you have an early head/manifold fitted). Pre-72 cars with the "square" manifold only. As I found out well after the 30 day return window had expired...

Alistair
A Hewitt

Tom,
You have mail. Anyone else want contact info on Tri-City plating, advise and I'll post up or send off line.
db
Doug Baker

To Rick,

Sorry to question your eyesight, but my TR6 (# 15 on the above list) is a true 74 and not a 74.5. It was probably one of the last 74's manufactured (Aug 1974), CF25165UO. Picture enclosed shows name plate. I tried to enclose a second picture of the lower front bumper, but system would not allow me to add second pic

John in Kansas

John Korsak

Rick,
To correct your rant, wasn't that 74.5?
And did you really miss my jab that 71 + 3 = 74?
Rod
Rod Nichols

GEEESSS one little slip of the finger and I get heck. Yes that should be 74.5.

Ya Rod, I got it. I was being polite to yous guys.
After all, I would argue the point that adding a bunch more anti-pollution stuff a 4 big boobs did not improve the breed. But I must say, any year TR6 is a beautiful piece of machinery...period!

John, sorry lad but my eye sight is just fine. I did not call your TR6 a 74.5. Yes on the list above you are #15. If you go and look at the full thread back in 2006 you will see that at that point in time of the postings to the thread, when I said from #15 on you where #14 not #15 on the list. I know yours is a "True" '74 model year as it was built before commission number CF27000.
I agree, you must have been almost the last true '74 built and Jeff F. was the fifth '75 built (yes fifth).

The actual reason for the change in bumper height position was due to meeting California crash tests (Adding the over-riders was not sufficient).

One other point. I did not change any threads to say 74.5...you chaps added the .5 to your own cars.
I am not sure where this 74.5 came from in the first place. Thus the reason for me questioning the adding of TR6s manufactured after CF27000 as the 74 model year.
Here is production data that clearly states TR6s built after Aug.22,1974 are in fact a 1975 model year.

1974 1974 model year CF17002 U First production car (built 2nd Jan 74)
CF25777 U Last production car (built 18th Sept 74)

1975 model year CF27001 U First production car (built 22nd Aug 74)
CF29580 U Last production car that year

This is not the only documentation stating this but this is enough.
So guys, hate to say it but this BBS has/had more '71 owners on it than '74 owners.
Sorry for the little rant but I think it was time to actually give some proof on this subject.

Just out of curiosity, any of you 74.5 owners. What does your actuall commission number plate say?

Rick
Rick Crawford

"I tried to enclose a second picture of the lower front bumper, but system would not allow me to add second pic

John in Kansas"

True in that the board will only allow one attached file per post, there are solutions to post multiple images. The really quick and dirty way is to make multiple posts with figure at each post.

The other is bit more involved. You can cut and paste multiple images into something along the lines of a PowerPoint file, then save as a JPEG. Go into phot editor and shrink, crop, compress or whatever you must do and then post as a single attached file.

Either way, piece o' cake, easy peasy, etceteras and so on.....

I will reiterate, I attribute much of this to BL's (and Standard-Triumph's before that) year model flakiness. There is nothing as far as I can tell that is really documented that says "this is a 74 1/2." There is also nothing as far as I can tell that is really documented saying "this is a TR3B as designated by Standard-Triumph," yet because of specific and clearly unique and identifiable features relative to other cars in the respective basic model lines, both of those cars have picked those respective nomenclatures.

I doubt seriously that you will see anything on a car that states it is a 74 1/2. It is more a matter of meeting a "safety standard" that kicked in ahead of a stricter emission standard with the result being what is generally called a 74 1/2. They had to raise the front bumpers to meet bumper height standards and they had to increase the impact resistance of the bumpers with a change that came during the 74 model year production run. At least it came off better on the TR6 than it did on the MGB and the Spridget. I recall that those cars had the park/turn lamps hung from the bumper and that they had all amber lens on the lamps. The 75 and later cars had clear and amber lens along an increased amount of smog stuff, all thought I think it likely that the California cars might have gotten the air pump during the 74 model year also. It seems that they were usually a year ahead when it came to emission strangling.

Another example of TR6 model year flakiness comes with the 1970 and 1971 TR6s. There was no clean production break and as a result, there is a couple of hundred car overlap where serial numbers do not necessarily designate the model year. I have seen TR6s with higher serial numbers than mine designated a 70 models and with lower serial numbers designated as 71 models. Does this mean a recount of the 71s is in order? I doubt it.

What does it all boil down to? If you can figure out BL's logic behind all of that, you're smarter than I am. I just look at the federally mandated tag that indicates what year standards it meets and that is the model year as far as I am concerned.


Steve Pike

Rick,

Sorry for the slow reply....I have been out of town all week.

My pleasure in joining the '71 listing

Jeff S: CC58798 Jasmine Yellow Nov 70/71

Regards!
JS Shirhall

Aloha all,
I had forgotten about our 71 & 74 commission lists. I just looked and the plate on CF27006U looks just like John's (except for the #). The car was sold new in Honolulu on Jan 8, 1975 and the title and original dealer paperwork shows 1974 as the model year. The handbook is the '74 2nd edition, published 12/73.
I think Steve's right and the safety standard changed before the emissions did. It must have been cheaper to build cars under '74 emissions standards, so they did as long as possible. Just another interesting aspect of our cars.

Jeff
JB Fetner

On the '71 list, are Don B. and Angel T. co-owners of the same car CC57632 Oct 1970/71.
Joe
Joe S

Now there is a guy with a good Eye.


Thanks Joe. Do you realize what you just did to me. I shall forward all the irate e-mails I get to you.
MAN...I am in heck now and I do not think I did that.

Name withheld to protect the innocent.
Rick Crawford

Joe,
Don's number is correct at CC57632. Angel T's came off the line 1341 cars later. His Commission number is CC58973L, 1970/1. Don Kelly stays between them and now add Jeff Shirhall between Don K and Angel!!
db
Doug Baker

Doug
Thank you my friend.
It must have been a cut and paste thing.

Just to prove a point Steve Pike makes..you will see I had a doner car on the '71 list. I always woundered why it had such an "out to lunch" commission number.
Rick
Rick Crawford

Rick
I haven't received any irate e-mails yet, so everything must be good with the goose.
Joe S

Rick
I haven't received any irate e-mails yet, so everything must be good with the goose.
Name withheld to protect the innocent.
Joe S

Success I got a pic to upload. This is my restore. Will try for more pics.

Joe S

This was taken on the old route 66 just out of Victorville Ca

Joe S

Joe
Ya no e-mails as Doug saved my bacon. Not sure how that happened.
Very nice lookin' 6.
18.9 .....that picture was not taken yesterday.
That picture must have been taken back in '71. Gas prices went up to $1.09/ Liter over night. that is $4.12/ US Gal.

The goose is covered in snow. Got 8" last night and it is comming down heavy as I type.

Rick

PS Joe, to upload a pic it must be below 1MB. Not sure where the cut off in size is. Maybe that is why you where having problems.
Rick

Rick Crawford

Hey guys, My TR6 is a 71 as well. I am not sure if I have enrolled as such.

John Brunatti
JOHN BRUNATTI

John
Not sure if that is you on the current list. What is your Comission #?
Rick
Rick Crawford

Rick,
My # is CC64827L manufactured in May, 1971. Is there another John B with a 1971?

On another note, I purchased the car from the second owner who had the name of the original owner but no current address or phone #. Does anybody have any suggestions for tracking down the original?

John
JOHN BRUNATTI

Since no one else has done it, here's the updated list:

SteveP: CC56209L July 1970/71
Ken J: CC56757 Aug 1970/71
Kyran: CC57225L Oct 1970/71
Don B: CC57632 OCT 70 1970/71
Don K: CC58660 Nov 1970/71
Jeff S: CC58798 Nov 70/71
Angel T: CC58973L OCT 1970/71
Charlie S: CC60260LO Dec 1970/1 (build started May'70:)
John B: CC60621L
Joe S: CC60628LO Dec 1970/71.
Benji: CC61654lo Jan. 71' (31 before Dan Master's!)
Dan M: CC61685LO Jan 1971(OD long gone) To be an 'OrD:)
Rick C: CC62645L Sept 1971 Notice the date..(donor car)
Mike: CCC62976L Mar 1971
Berry: CC63230L Mar 1971 (254 TR6s after Mikes')
Tom S: CC63828L April 1971
Jim: CC63860L April 1971
John B: CC64827L May 1971
Dan M: CC64944L May 1971 (1084 after Jim..WOW)
Rick C: CC65060L May 1971...(now with an O at the end:)..116 TR6s after Dans').
Doug B: CC65881L June 1971
TOTAL=21
Tom Sotomayor

Thanks Tom.
John, yes there is anoher '71 owner on the list named John B. That is why I was not sure if it was you or not. So we have 2 John B's.
The only way of finding the original owners of our cars today is by pure luck.
In your case you at least have his name. You might try 411 and let your fingers do the walking.
Ask the second owner where he bought the car...could be a clue to at least a city.
Rick
Rick Crawford

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