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Triumph TR6 - Why should I buy a TR6?
|I have just sold my 1973 MGB roadster after an enjoyable six year ownership and was a regular reader/poster to the MGB BBS. I sold the MGB since it seemed like time for a change. Having always admired the TR6 (I can feel my MG club members blanching) I am now considering one as my next purchase.|
Tell me why this should be my next car and if you are successful I might become a regular on this board!
With thanks in advance.
|Ha, ha. Nope - can't think of a good reason...|
Since you enjoyed your MGB, we don't have to twist you arm here. The TR will not offer you less!
|Seems like you don't have the passion - if you did, you would have one by now. |
|The comparative performance figures should be enough!!|
|Barry, you could buy another MGB and continue to admire the TR6,...also, have you checked out the new Miatas?|
You'll find TR's aren't quite as crisp in steering as MG's but other than that you are in for the same sort of things; leaky everything, funny sounds that can't be tracked down, bad grounds that roam the wireing harness at will,lots of carb gremlins and other fun stuff. However, since you won't be driving a car that
looks like squished sausage anymore you won't have to drive in shame ever again. The TR series is one of the most beautiful cars ever designed. You'll get use to getting the "thumbs up" from complete strangers,
applause when you stop at traffic lights, phone numbers and under graments thrown at you from attractive women... well maybe not that last part.
You say you have always admired TR's so you obviously
have good taste. Those other six years you mention
I can't explain, best left to your therapist.
Kidding aside, once you have worked the bugs out you'll find a TR to be just as reliable,fun to drive and own as any Brit car.
|Barry, I've owned both, although the B was quite a few years ago. The TR6 has a lot more torque and just feels heavier and more solid on the road. The TR6 sounds better, to me. The TR6 is not quite as common on the roads.|
Probably the B is a bit more nimble, but that is probably the only advantage I can think of. Both are similar in cockpit size, etc.; I am 6'3" and haven't had a major issue with either there.
Looks wise, I prefer the TR6, but that is a personal choice. Investment wise, I think the TR6 is going to do better than a B because of the 6 cylinder engine, the different body and the relatively scarcity compared to a B.
These are all opinions, nothing more.
I've owned an MGB roadster for the last 10 years and a TR6 for the last 5, the B is a quieter and more roomy car for touring, the TR6 is a better car to drive and sounds a million dollars but tends to feel a bit crude, unfortunately the North American TR6s are well down on power compared to the UK PI ones, they really fly compared to a B, if you can get one that has a similar power output to the PI ones go for it, if not I think you might be a bit disappointed in the performance, but they do have a lot of potential for tuning.
If I had to keep one and sell one, I think I would keep the TR6.
|Also, and we all forgot this, you should buy a TR6 to learn about the goose.|
|I'm not persuaded yet. I can see why many MG drivers steer clear of Triumph owners.|
Give me some real reasons that don't include knocking the MGB - if there are any. Otherwise I might get an MGB GT.
As someone said earlier, you have to want one.
My self it started way back in 1969 when i saw my first TR6 and for a brief time in High School i
wanted a MG Midget,like the ones my classmates
drove all year round (even in the snow).
Needless to say i'am my second TR6,and even with all
it's quirks,it still brings out a smile on my face
similar to the one i had the first time i saw one.
Malcolm 74 TR6.
Looks to me like there have been some good comments given to you without "slamming" the MGB. Did you read them all?
|HP Henry Patterson|
please don't do us any favors.
|Well Barry, you get a TR6 because you want one and if you don't want one, then you don't get one. I am somewhat puzzled by your post of 20:43 GMT as I failed to see any slams at the MGB and in fact, like myself, other respondees to your initial post have owned an MGB in the past and offered up favorable comments on the MGB experience. In fact, if I caould find the right MGB at the right price, I would probably buy it.|
Having had three street MGBs (all roadsters)and an E Prod B over the years, I feel that I can offer up a reasonably fair comparison on the virtues of the MGB and the TR6. In the MGB's favor, I think that they offer a more shoulder room, are very solid (assuming that the tub is in good shape) and have a pleasing style. They make a great around town car, but I don't find them to be what I want in a highway car. I think this is a primarily due to the input level of the controls.
In the TR6's favor, it is a bit more of that roary old school British sports car look and feel, the MGB definitely feels like a more modern car. The TR6 has an excellent sound (something about an inline six, it was the primary redeeming grace of the MGC as far as I was concerned, the other was that it made an good highway car). The TR6 is a decent highway car, but can get tiring around town if you have to contend with heavy traffic. The body on frame construction of the TR6 contributes to more flex than an MGB, but the IRS allows the TR6 to be launched in a rather spirited manner that would leave an MGB trying to wind up its rear leaf springs and generating a nasty axle hop. It's one of those pick your poison things.
Also in the TR6's favor is that unlike the MGB, there was little change in the performance level of the car (even going back to the TR4A and the TR250) for USA market cars. Since there was no change in ride height, there were no significant detriments to handling either. While things stayed pretty much the same for the MGB from 1962 to about 1969, after that the performance level would slip, slide and plunge at various point for the rest of the production period. The MGB lost a fair amount of punch going from the 1971 to the 1972 model year with a gradual decline continuing to 1974, there was also a slight increase in ride height at 1972. In 1975 there was another big power hit AND the advent of those cowcatcher bumpers, the really raised ride height, deletion of the front anti-roll bar and loss of oil cooler (some of these things along with a rear bar were added back in in 1977(?), but the power continued to slip for the rest of the production period).
From a power tuning potential standpoint, there is much that can be done with a TR6 for what amounts to low/moderate amounts of money. The siamesed inlet port configuration both the BMC A and B series motors is a severe bottleneck in the system that limits the tuning potential of the MGB. Too bad they never got around to sticking the O-series engine in those cars, that was a nice motor. You can get non-siamesed intake port, aluminum alloy cross flow heads for the B series engines from Moss and such, but you are talking major amounts of money by the time you get the head and all the bits and pieces needed to use them on the car. Even then the cylinder 2 & 3 exhaust port is still siamesed as on the stock head. From a suspension and brake tuning potential standpoint, they are reasonably close to each other.
So there you have it, my take based upon multiple MGB and Triumph ownership on my part, father's MGA and big Healey ownership and growing up around a dealership. My goal is not to persuade or dissuade either option, just to give you some stuff to mull over relative to the cars. Ultimate, you should do want you want to do.
|Barry, I gave you a reasoned comparison of both cars based on years of experience, as have others, I don't think you want a TR6, I think you want an argument! maybe you would be better sticking to MGs.|
|Steve's analysis is about as cogent a one as you'll find. |
I sold a 69 MGB to buy my TR250 and I am not sorry I did.
The MGB is roomier and less rattle prone. My TR probably handles slightly better due to the bigger tires (195 vs. 175). The MG was more fun to throttle steer in cornering however, and the gearbox and clutch are superior.
The TR is faster through the gears, and the view from the cockpit, with the classic wood dash, the big "clocks", and shape of the bonnet and fenders is unbeatable.
Plus the TR has a taller windscreen, so my hat doesnt blow off anymore!
"-----------AND IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL I MIGHT BECOME A REGULAR ON THIS BOARD" Agree with Chris. Perhaps you should check out the new Miatas!
|Many thanks for the useful comments. I agree that the TR6 is a good looking car so appreciate the comparative hands on opinions.|
My comment about becoming a regular on this board was in recognition that I would be looking for assistance if I get one, as was the case with the MGB on the MG board.
The TR6 is not a "me too" car, certainly in its design and lines. While the MGB is a good car (I have one in the garage too), it can not be compared to a TR6. One only has to look at the statistics, 97% of all TR6 purchasers were male, something about the square shape, big wheels/tires and an in line 6.
Yes, it doesnt handle as nimbly as an MG, but with a little tweeking, it sure comes close.
Tweeking is what owning a TR6 is about, admiring the lines and trying to squeeze even more excitement from the car.
good luck in your decision
Go find a decent TR6 - get yourself a lawn chair or reasonable facsimile, grab a cold one and sit there and contemplate the car's classic lines; start it and listen to it growl. (more than one beer, leave it in the driveway) Drive it; it ain't a "B". If what you see, hear and feel does not excite you or make you dream of owning one there's not much anybody can say to sway you. It's a gut thing. If you don't love it immediately you are probably a MGB guy. Go with your gut feeling and good luck!
You are right you shouldn't buy one. Your sense of humour lacks. My buddy Chris was not bashing MG's and all my fine fellowed pals were not atacking the MG's.
As I recall your tone from the start was dry "Tell me why this should be my next car and if you are successful I might become a regular on this board!"
We Tr owners are not as stuffy. You do not choose the car,.....the car chooses you. I feel you should be happier in a MG. (We do try to bring everyone together but it always seems to gap, we do try tho...even the Jag dudes)
|Bob & Bob - many thanks.|
You are still missing the point. Because I have owned an MGB for several years I know it quite well and was looking to some TR6 owners for some good advice on your cars. My inital comment was not in arrogance, it was in recognition that if I did get a TR6, I would need your ongoing support and hence potentially become a regular on this board. I have been on three or four MGCCT/TTC "Spring Fling" events and always enjoyed the Triumph/MG club friendly rivalry.
I am a complete idiot with regards to mechanics, yet i was able to rebuild my TR from ground up with a manual, internet access and alot of advice from thie guys(gals) on this BBS. You will find most TR6 owners love working on someother guys cars as much as their own...at least thats my experience to date
76 6 (I had that name before Bob Evans!)
My apologies for stealing your handle. Imitation is the finest form of flattery BTW.
I think what Barry is saying is that some things he wrote were taken out of context or misunderstood. It looks like he is interested in getting some good info.
Correct me if I'm wrong Barry.
I had an MGB many years ago in my late teens and early 20's as well as a TR6 sometime before the MGB. All I know is they were both "chick magnets" and at the time that is all I cared about.
I like the B's, especially the early 60's with the piping on the leater seats and the spoke steering wheel and the regular chrome bumpers. Saw a white one recently that was Gorgeous!!
When I decided I wanted to restore a car (about 3 years ago) I decided on the TR6 because my memory of my TR6 from my late teen years was strongest in my mind. I think because of the sound and the looks for me.
I guess it's still a chick magnet...only the chick is my wife. She loves the car....but doesn't drive it.
|HP Henry Patterson|
|Ah yes, like my first car HP. A 1964 MGB, Old English White, Tartan Red interior with white piping, the optional gray fold away top as opposed to the stock "take it off the sticks and throw everything in boot" top, overdrive, 5 1/2" wide 72 spoke wire wheels and a fair amount of other BMC Special Tuning parts under the bonnet. It was a hand me down purchase that my father had helped arrange from an extended family member. Of all the cars I have had, that is probably the one that most regret giving up. It was common enough looking on the surface but it had so much desirable factory and dealer istalled equipment that a car like that would be a real find today.|
Sounds like an awsome car Steve. Maybe the thing to do is have both a TR6 and an early MGB. And while I'm at it I sure would love to throw in a later 60's...say 67 E-type 12 cyl. Jag roadster...to my collection. And to show I'm well rounded in my collection I would also like an early 60's Fuel Injected Corvette roadster. Oh yeah...can't forget the 67 Austin Healy 3000. And then for good measure I'll throw in a 67 Mustang convertible. Would it be too much to ask for an Auburn Boattail Speedster...Yeah probably.
Looks like my TR6 will have to do.
|HP Henry Patterson|
|That reference to the '67 Jag V12 was obviously to check to see if anyone was reading carefully. We all know the '67 had the 4.2L six. By the way, your collection needs an MGA and a TR4 to fill in the 50's.|
No Tony I'm afraid it's my ignorance. Maybe it's a 68 XKE I'm thinking about? When was the 12 Cyl introduced? That's the one I want. But I would love the 67 6 cyl too.
|HP Henry Patterson|
|The V-12 was introduced with the Series III E-Type in 1971. Supposedly there was a very small handful of Series IIIs built with the 4.2L XK series twin cam six cylinder, but I have never seen one. The Series I, I 1/2 (i.e. 1968 only) and II E-Types were available in either a drop head coupe, a fixed head coupe or a 2+2 (I recall 1966 as being the first year of the 2+2). All of the Series III cars were built on the 2+2 floor tubs which were about 6 inches longer with longer doors to ease entry and exit. |
The V-12 engine was among the first to utilize the Lucas Opus ignition, was a SOHC engine and was fitted with four CD175 carbs. The carbs were mounted outboard of the exhaust manifolds on multiple piece intake manifolds that went up and over the cam covers to the intake ports on the inboard side of the cylinder heads. To adjust the valves, it is necessary to remove the portion of the intake manifolds that goes over the cam covers. Changing belts and those nine zillion little cooling system hoses on one is quite the chore also. And that's before you get into any "serious" work.
Thanks for the great info.
I saw a Jag E type roadster at a show a couple of years ago and it was beautiful. It didn't have head rests so I was assuming it was pre 68. I didn't get to look at it much but I remember the engine looked quite long and took up alot of "real esatate" so I assumed it was a 12.
In the end it doesn't really matter because I only have room, time, and money for my TR6. But I still will be admiring the Jag's.
|HP Henry Patterson|
|Tony, you have a typo too. The first TR4 was out the door in 1961. I have CT147L. I'm stuck on tractor engines.|
|Good eye, Tom. I meant to say TR3, but as I didn't, I shall consider myself hoist on my own petard. By the way, any petard experts out there? I've always wondered what one looks like.|
|Barry, it appears we got well off the topic!|
My answer to your question is that you should try to attend the Toronto Triumph Club British Car Day this year, meet some of these guys in person, they are (we are?) a very friendly bunch in person, chat about some of the cars and club activities and think it over.
From going on some of the MG club events as well as being a TTC member for 15 years I think the Triumph crowd is a bit younger on average, a bit more driving rather than polishing oriented, and a bit more boistrous and fun-loving. If you like the crowd you'll like the car.
As for the cars, I agree with most of what has been said already, but would add that Triumph marketed their cars as slightly "upmarket" alternatives to MG models and prided themselves on technical innovation.
This led to Triumphs having disc brakes, independent rear suspension, fuel injection etc. before these things were common. The cars also tend to be a bit better equipped, wood dash, carpeted trunk etc.
Both cars are fun to own and drive, I think you will love the smooth power and exhaust growl of the TR6.
Anything you could need for maintenance is available, though some items are a bit more expensive than for a "B".
Look forward to you joining our ranks!
|Many thanks for the varied input - all useful. I'm still looking. Also tried a terrific TR8 yesterday but decided it felt too modern from the driver's seat.|
|Ohhh . . . a rare TR8 would NOT be too modern for me!!|
|Barry, there's just something about that long hood..you gotta have one.|
Tony, that's long enough. Get down from there!!
|WOW!!! That is rare to see. A wedge lover!....(just kiddin' with ya:)|
Berry, do yourself a favour. Come to Bronte this weekend and talk to a bunch of us.
See another current thread British Car Day/ Bronte.
Yes, you will even see some wedges for sale.
Check out my site and view some of our members cars but make sure you check out the commercial and the tv show clip.
Just to close the loop, I'll mention that I HAVE bought a TR6. It has original paint and looks solid. I won't take delivery until mid October since I am off to the UK shortly. Thanks for the input and also to Rick Crawford for his words of welcome at Bronte today. No doubt I will have some queries later and will be checking in here looking for some guidance.
See...we really are not that bad a bunch.
Congrats on your purchase...I am sure we convinced you and just looking at a TR6 will convince you.
Barry, do not forget to look over the CD I gave you. You will read a wealth of information on it. Do not go out and buy the Bentley/ BL shop manual. It is on the CD.
So... welcome and as you will see, the purpose of this BBS is to help. You will see some kiddin' and pokin' here but it is all in fun.
Why own a tr6 ?
- fun to drive
- fast compaired to modern cars
- great on hwy
- handles well
- thumbs up while driving
- parts available
- great sound
IT'S ONE AWESOME CAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Congratulations! Welcome to the TR6 club - you are in for a ride! Ain't it beautiful?
The next few years are going to the best. Let us know as soon as you can what year, what kind of condition and what it will take to get her on the road.
All the best.
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